The Hitchhiker's Guide to Globe Trekker
Episode 2
November 6, 2025
In episode 2, Globe Trekker veterans Ian and Justine swap stories and weigh up the pros and cons of one of their favourite modes of transport - hitchhiking! Hear why, in spite of some hair-raising tales, our fearless duo are convinced there is no better way to soak up a culture and experience the joys and challenges of spontaneous travel. Get ready to ‘embrace the discomfort’ and enjoy the bumpy ride… and find out why that familiar thumbs up gesture may not get you the lift you’d hoped for.
0:00 intro
1:32 The Mossad follows Justine’s mom
2:42 How to pass on a ride
4:27 Thumbs up on hitchhiking!
6:15 Rutger Hauer ruined hitchhiking.
09:58 Mad Max in Morocco
13:09 “I could have been lost forever!”
14:53 Stuffed
18:01 Ian the Icebreaker
21:08 If you will it, it will come.
23:26 Plan B: Buy a car
25:09 Justine in leathers
29:30 Hitchhiking etiquette
35:22 Women Unite, Take Back the Night
40:45 Hitchhiking today
43:12 Where’d the thumb come from?
44:08 “Sorry, but did you just call me a wanker?”
45:44 Dial-a-ride: Hitching in Germany
48:21 From ‘Thank you’ to ‘F you’
50:44 “Time for me to diiiieee!”
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Hosts: Ian Wright and Justine Shapiro
Producer: Stephen Lennhoff
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Never had any problem hitchhiking.
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I say that, that's a lie.
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When my mate and I,
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when we were hitching, we got kidnapped
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by a Eastern European soldier
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mercenary, for two and a half days.
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What??
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So...So the...That is the other.
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I’m all like,
hitching, hitching, hitching, yeah
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Yeah.
But we got, oh man,
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that's the nuttiest scariest
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that we can laugh about it now.
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Hi. I'm Ian.
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I'm Justine.
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Back in the 90s,
we hosted Lonely Planet,
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also known as Globe Trekker
or Pilot Guides.
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It's a first travel
show of its kind.
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300 million people
watched us bounce all over the globe
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for 20 years.
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Now we're back.
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Welcome to Our Looney Planet with Ian and Justine.
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Hi, there. I'm Ian.
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I'm Justine.
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What are we doing today, Justine?
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What we up to?
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Hitchhiking
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We talk about hitchhiking.
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So many programs with that one in.
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Ian: One of the best ways to travel is hitchhiking
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If you can get a lift.
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And I'm here,
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and it was bumpy and dusty,
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but I loved every minute of it.
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So when you were younger, did
you do a lot of hitchhiking?
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Yeah,
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I mean it was pretty common
in Berkeley, where I was growing up
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and my mom hitchhiked
all the time and, you know,
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I grew up hearing about her
hitchhiking stories.
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For about nine months,
she hitchhiked
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from London through,
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Lebanon, Syria, Jordan. Hitchhiking!
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Ian: Oh, man.
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And she knew not to tell anyone
that she was Jewish.
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Yeah.
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But when she got into Israel,
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she went through the Mandelbaum
Gate and the Israeli customs
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official looked at her passport
and he shook his head,
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and he said ‘meshugana’,
which in Yiddish means 'crazy'
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because he saw that she'd gone
through all of these Arab countries.
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Oh, right. Wow.
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And so then she found out later
the Mossad,
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the secret police in Israel followed my mom
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for three months
because they thought she was a spy.
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There was an article in the Israeli paper.
Ian: That's crazy!
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So I kind of grew up with like,
yeah, you just hitchhike.
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Yeah.
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Wow. Brilliant.
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So hitchhiking was kind of like
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So that's where got your
hitchhiking and your madness from!
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Brilliant.
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But was there any time,
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was it scary or
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have you refused to get into a car when you was
hitchhiking?
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Oh, yeah.
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You know, I mean, the thing is,
when a car stops, you've got,
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you gather
a lot of information.
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When you poke your head
in, you can smell the car.
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You can hear if they're listening
to whatever they're listening to,
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you can kinda see
what's in the car, what's there.
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You kinda you could,
you sort of pick up a lot of information.
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And yes,
sometimes I just felt like,
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you know, no, no, no, it's okay.
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I'm going to wait a little longer
and you try and say nice,
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because if they are, you know,
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if they're an ex-murderer they might come after
-Because you are rejecting them
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Yeah, right, exactly.
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You look lovely.
You look great. You.
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But you don't actually, I'm just,
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I just
I need to have a bit of a walk.
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Yeah.
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You got out of it.
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You're made out of it nicely.
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You know, you don't.
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Because all they know, it's
like she thinks I'm mental
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because there's no way
you're by the side of a road and go,
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"Yeah.
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thanks for stopping, but
I've just got to do something
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by the lay by.
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I just kind of I’m going to wait some more.
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I know, I know, yeah,
it's it's too quick.
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It's too fast, this lift."
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Yeah.
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No, because I just,
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see for a bloke, we haven't
, for a bloke, we haven't got
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that luxury of getting any car that stops.
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We don’t care.
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I saw your one when you wearing that...
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ridiculously red jumper in Argentina and
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going, "Going
hitchhiking!"
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And there was some scary man in the car.
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I think he's stopping.
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He's stopping.
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He's scary looking.
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Oh my goodness.
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I don't know
if I want to get in this car.
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Hola
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Always take a good look
at the person
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who you're going to get a car
with.
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He looks fine.
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Y cuánto tiempo para el
Outside the ‘El Bolsón District’,
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it's not recommended for women to hitch alone
in Argentina.
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What about you?
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Did you grew up hitchhiking?
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Yeah. Loads.
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Well, the thing is,
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I mean, I remember in Ireland, not that
I was brought up there,
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but that's where people hitchhike
all the time.
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Mainly because there's no busses between,
or it's
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infrequent or whatever,
the transport crap.
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So everybody hitches.
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So when I went hitchhiking
in Ireland, it was just really easy.
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So I think it's always been there
for lack of money
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and stuff like that.
And then.
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And then of course,
the hippie days and that, you know.
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Cos they were hippies always tight.
they were saving for ... [mimes smoking weed]
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So yeah, and also
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hitching for me, if I'm honest,
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I don't know about now, but back in the day when
I was young,
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best way to get around, best way to travel.
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There's no, there's no better
because obviously one,
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you're paying no money to get somewhere,
but two, you're getting in the car.
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You might be stuck in a car
for eight hours
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with a complete stranger
you never met before,
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and you're just yakking,
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especially if you're abroad.
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You learn so much about that country
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in every respect of it.
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And it's just and
this mad little bond that you have
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for eight hours, and then you're out
and never see each other again.
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It's amazing. You’re right.
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It's like-
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It's a bit
like going to the theater for free.
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Yeah.
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You're like hearing
all these stories you've never heard
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before.
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People describing things, people
describing their families,
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their family arguments, issues
with money,
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how they went to school,
how they grew up.
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You hear these stories that are,
you know, like out of pages,
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out of a book, someone else's life
and you're with them
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and there's a sense of trust
because,
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you know, if you have a good vibe,
it just you get it.
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You're with your ilk.
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Yeah. I think that true.
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I mean, they both got
a very positive look on it.
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I think sadly, it's changed
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just because maybe society's
changed.
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People's ideas on
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hitchhiking is completely different,
I think.
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I think it's a bit like sharks.
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it's a bit like Jaws.
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It's like, before Jaws come out,
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everyone's like, hitchhiking's cool and then
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Jaws come come out.
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No one's got in the water.
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And it's like that.
When the bloody film,
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The Hitcher come out,
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everyone's like,
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I ain't going hitchhiking anymore
because I'm going to be caught up.
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VO: What did you see?
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The Hitcher into his car.
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He opened the doors of hell.
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The terror starts
the moment you stop
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for The Hitcher.
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the mad, the times I've
heard that one that was your
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hitch and hitch and go to.
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"Don't get in the car."
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But yeah,
I don't know if people hitchhike-
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Yeah.
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You know, Ian, around the time
that hitching story came out
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in the 70s
when you and I were growing up.
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Yeah, yeah, the story came out
about the babysitter
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who skinned the two kids alive.
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And so you didn't want to babysit
because you kept hearing.
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Check the children.
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They might be dead. Check. Oh,
my God.
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Yeah.
And so babysitting became this.
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Absolutely, like, terrifying thing
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that your mom has a babysitter
coming over.
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I'm like, do you know her mom?
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No, no, no.
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You know,
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Sarah down the road, you know,
her cousin's cousin's in town,
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and she's got an evening
off this week.
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But do you know her mom?
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Oh, so it was the babysitter.
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So the babysitter was the killer.
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Yeah, the babysitter was the killer.
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It all comes down
to, like, this idea of,
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stranger danger, I guess.
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Yeah,
but the thing is, when you travel,
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if you the only person you
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can go to for help for anything
is that person.
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They're not a stranger anymore.
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There's someone you need.
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There's someone you need
to kind of connect with
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because they're the only one
who can tell you, you know,
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where the bus stop is or where
the bathroom is, or you're on
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the road, you've got like 100 miles
you have to get to before dark.
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And so there are no busses.
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So you're completely reliant
on other people.
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So they're strangers,
but very quickly
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they become people that you want
to ingratiate yourself.
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But I suppose that's every single
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element of travel, you know,
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whether it's hitchhiking,
going to the bar, going to anything, isn't it?
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That's what makes it exciting.
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Never met them before, endless, like
I said, possibilities, you know.
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And but but hitching
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has a sort of different stigma to it
as well and the different.
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So excitement or danger,
I think, than, you know,
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being in a bar or something
because you are stuck in the car
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with someone for a long time.
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But, yeah.
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Like I say, I think it's it's
the best, best way.
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Especially when you're abroad.
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Because you know, nothing
like I've been in is the best.
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And it's the worst.
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I have been, in the car,
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like a couple examples.
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This is not for Lonely Planet,
me and my mate hitchhiking.
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And we're, like, in England.
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The car pulls up and we're like,
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the car's full.
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It's like there's seven people in there
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and they're all old pensioners,
0:09:36.160 - 0:09:39.040
they're all grannies.
But they pulled up and we're like,
0:09:39.040 - 0:09:41.680
okay, so we got pick up bags, we run
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two meters before we get there,
0:09:43.360 - 0:09:47.120
they just drive off all laughing their heads off
0:09:47.120 - 0:09:49.280
and we're just dealt with ourselves,
0:09:49.280 - 0:09:51.680
which is like, so funny.
0:09:51.680 - 0:09:53.200
It's just so mad.
0:09:53.200 - 0:09:55.280
But you get that. That's great.
0:09:55.280 - 0:09:56.400
Yeah. But,
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no, I think it works
0:10:00.080 - 0:10:03.680
perfectly
in the travel program, though,
0:10:03.680 - 0:10:06.640
because that is like the
that's the most spontaneous thing.
0:10:06.640 - 0:10:10.320
And then the times when we've both
been, especially in the early days
0:10:10.320 - 0:10:12.240
when it was just like
0:10:12.240 - 0:10:16.320
in Morocco, two motorcyclists
that we're in, it's sort of like
0:10:16.320 - 0:10:20.360
it's a western town and we see them
pull up dust everywhere, clouds,
0:10:20.360 - 0:10:24.870
and so yeah,
Oh my God, can I tell you? I watched that Ian.
0:10:24.870 - 0:10:26.240
and yeah, I watch that clip
0:10:26.240 - 0:10:28.480
the other night with the two bikers.
0:10:28.480 - 0:10:30.800
Yeah, they were so cute.
0:10:30.800 - 0:10:32.000
Oh my God.
0:10:32.000 - 0:10:35.200
And they had this kind of like, like
0:10:35.200 - 0:10:37.920
nihilistic like, you know,
"I thought I was going to die,
0:10:37.920 - 0:10:39.920
so I was like,
oh, this is what I'm going to do.
0:10:39.920 - 0:10:42.000
I'm going to motorcycle
through the desert."
0:10:42.000 - 0:10:43.440
Who were those guys?
0:10:43.440 - 0:10:46.080
Ian: Like a Mad Max moment you mean?
0:10:46.080 - 0:10:48.232
Yeah.
0:10:48.232 - 0:10:49.120
Ian VO: We're heading down the
0:10:49.120 - 0:10:51.120
Dardéis Valley to Zagora.
0:10:51.120 - 0:10:54.400
The road follows the route of a thousand kasbahs,
0:10:54.400 - 0:11:00.640
an ancient caravan trail
that runs out to the desert.
0:11:00.640 - 0:11:07.200
Motorcyclist VO: I was working in an office,
programming computers back in America.
0:11:09.040 - 0:11:10.160
I just got tired of it.
0:11:10.160 - 0:11:11.840
Figured I wanted to
0:11:12.400 - 0:11:13.600
see the other side of the world.
0:11:13.600 - 0:11:16.880
I guess, I figured the Sahara desert
was probably
0:11:16.880 - 0:11:18.320
as far away as I can get.
0:11:18.320 - 0:11:20.440
So, here I am.
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Justine: Who were they?
0:11:21.440 - 0:11:23.360
What do you remember
about those two?
0:11:23.920 - 0:11:26.720
They just turned up
and we just went over, said the.
0:11:26.720 - 0:11:27.840
Do you want to make the show?
0:11:27.840 - 0:11:30.560
I would love to, you know,
0:11:30.560 - 0:11:32.160
doing a bit of hitchhiking
0:11:32.160 - 0:11:33.520
and just jump and they were like, yeah.
0:11:33.520 - 0:11:35.200
They were so up for it.
0:11:35.200 - 0:11:37.350
And there's something.
0:11:37.350 - 0:11:38.000
Oh, yeah, I agree.
0:11:38.000 - 0:11:41.280
When I saw I didn't not,
not so much the sexual side,
0:11:42.000 - 0:11:44.000
but when I saw it
it's just brilliant.
0:11:44.000 - 0:11:47.040
It just encapsulates everything,
in desert.
0:11:47.040 - 0:11:50.000
These mad bikes,
all the dust everywhere.
0:11:50.000 - 0:11:51.640
You're in the back
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there.
Anyway, that was me.
0:11:55.120 - 0:11:56.240
And then they.
0:11:56.240 - 0:11:57.120
So we filmed them.
0:11:57.120 - 0:11:58.640
They loved it. It was brilliant.
0:11:58.640 - 0:12:01.680
One of them went off,
back on these travels.
0:12:01.680 - 0:12:02.400
Could they just met.
0:12:02.400 - 0:12:04.400
And the guy
with the crash helmet.
0:12:04.400 - 0:12:07.200
He stayed with us
for the rest of the show
0:12:07.200 - 0:12:10.560
and was helping us with equipment,
0:12:10.560 - 0:12:12.080
tripod and everything.
0:12:12.080 - 0:12:14.640
That's just the way is,
it used to be
0:12:14.640 - 0:12:16.880
On the first things
that spontaneous.
0:12:16.880 - 0:12:21.040
Yeah, he was there,
but he was a ladies man.
0:12:21.040 - 0:12:21.985
Yeah.
0:12:21.985 - 0:12:22.880
Oh, I can tell he was like a
0:12:22.880 - 0:12:25.920
he was a bodybuilder,
but his legs were about that big.
0:12:25.920 - 0:12:29.280
So when he was, when we gone up
the mountain, he was like
0:12:29.280 - 0:12:31.200
like very, very skinny legs. Yeah.
0:12:31.200 - 0:12:33.440
So he's like a human triangle.
0:12:33.440 - 0:12:35.840
Like, which is
you got no muscle in the legs.
0:12:35.840 - 0:12:37.040
So he couldn't get them out.
0:12:37.040 - 0:12:38.800
And he was like,
0:12:38.800 - 0:12:40.080
oh buddy,
oh you're massive.
0:12:40.080 - 0:12:42.560
But also he was like,
he would like
0:12:43.200 - 0:12:45.760
put on little snoopy plasters,
0:12:45.760 - 0:12:47.440
even if he didn't have a cut,
0:12:47.440 - 0:12:51.360
so the ladies would think he was
sensitive. Yeah.
0:12:51.360 - 0:12:52.160
Oh, that is a good one.
0:12:52.160 - 0:12:54.000
I have to say,
very creepy.
0:12:54.000 - 0:12:56.160
But, you know, we enjoyed it.
0:12:56.160 - 0:12:57.600
It didn't bother me because
0:12:57.600 - 0:12:58.720
we were just chatting,
0:12:58.720 - 0:13:03.120
but just the fact that he was there with
three weeks helping us out was brilliant.
0:13:03.120 - 0:13:04.720
Yeah,
they don't usually last that long.
0:13:04.720 - 0:13:05.520
After one day
0:13:05.520 - 0:13:08.720
of lifting that bloody tripod,
they're like, okay, see you later.
0:13:08.720 - 0:13:13.280
But, the mad one was Morocco again.
0:13:13.280 - 0:13:15.760
First ever sequence of hitchhiking.
0:13:15.760 - 0:13:18.880
Ian VO: It often takes a while
to find a truck with room
0:13:18.880 - 0:13:23.040
that's going your way, but there's
no better way to meet local people.
0:13:23.040 - 0:13:24.400
But it's a huge lorry
0:13:24.400 - 0:13:27.440
stopped with a ton of veg in the back.
0:13:27.440 - 0:13:28.080
Vegetable.
0:13:28.080 - 0:13:30.720
So he climbed in, got over.
0:13:30.720 - 0:13:32.080
Camera man came in late.
0:13:32.080 - 0:13:34.000
There's two other guys in there.
0:13:34.880 - 0:13:36.960
You're standing on vegetables.
0:13:36.960 - 0:13:38.880
Ton of vegetables.
0:13:38.880 - 0:13:39.360
Of course,
0:13:39.360 - 0:13:43.440
the cameraman gets out,
so I'm in there,
0:13:44.240 - 0:13:45.840
the van takes off
0:13:45.840 - 0:13:47.720
Of course, they're like, shit.
0:13:47.720 - 0:13:49.440
Oh, the van!
0:13:49.440 - 0:13:52.400
You've got to get all your equipment
back, unlock
0:13:52.400 - 0:13:54.480
everything, get in our van,
0:13:54.480 - 0:13:56.960
and then chase the van.
0:13:56.960 - 0:13:58.640
And they forgot, you know, by then.
0:13:58.640 - 0:13:59.520
What did it look like?
0:13:59.520 - 0:14:00.960
They couldn't remember.
0:14:00.960 - 0:14:03.600
It took about an hour to catch up,
0:14:03.600 - 0:14:04.960
go to different roads, and,
you know,
0:14:05.520 - 0:14:06.240
I could have been,
0:14:06.240 - 0:14:08.480
I could have been lost forever.
0:14:08.480 - 0:14:10.880
But it's mad,
you don't think about those things.
0:14:10.880 - 0:14:13.200
I was long gone,
and I think it was just luck
0:14:13.200 - 0:14:16.560
that they was on, you know,
you got no mobile, you got no thing.
0:14:16.560 - 0:14:18.400
You just hope
they just stay on the main road.
0:14:18.400 - 0:14:18.880
That was crazy.
0:14:18.880 - 0:14:20.560
And I remember at the back thinking,
0:14:20.560 - 0:14:22.877
Yeah, this could go on for a few, what would I do?
0:14:22.877 - 0:14:26.320
So the crew's trying to,
so the crew's trying to find you
0:14:26.320 - 0:14:30.880
because the time it takes for them
to kind of get back in the van, you're gone.
0:14:30.880 - 0:14:33.040
Get their equipment,
undo their equipment,
0:14:33.040 - 0:14:35.280
cos the drive, it's just gone.
0:14:35.280 - 0:14:37.280
Yeah, just little things like that.
0:14:37.280 - 0:14:37.840
Yeah. So.
0:14:37.840 - 0:14:41.120
So I guess in future
shows, the producer
0:14:41.120 - 0:14:44.960
probably went to the driver
and said, you know, here's ten, can
0:14:44.960 - 0:14:48.160
you just hang on for five minutes
while we pack up our van.
0:14:48.160 - 0:14:48.400
Yeah.
0:14:48.400 - 0:14:50.880
Or just go up the road
and then stop.
0:14:50.880 - 0:14:51.200
Yeah.
0:14:51.200 - 0:14:52.240
There's like yeah.
0:14:52.240 - 0:14:53.520
So that is a learning curve.
0:14:53.520 - 0:14:55.520
But you are 100% right.
0:14:55.520 - 0:14:57.280
The strength of the program
0:14:57.280 - 0:15:00.240
is that the travel sequences
0:15:00.240 - 0:15:02.000
were just as important
0:15:02.000 - 0:15:06.160
and gelled it together
as any other sequence in the show.
0:15:11.160 - 0:15:12.160
The
0:15:12.160 - 0:15:14.240
best way to get around
0:15:14.240 - 0:15:22.480
is on a mean machine like this.
0:15:22.480 - 0:15:24.640
And it gave that brilliant sense
0:15:24.640 - 0:15:27.920
of movement,
of travel, of spontaneity
0:15:27.920 - 0:15:30.080
and just getting somewhere
because that is,
0:15:30.080 - 0:15:31.680
you know, a travel show.
0:15:31.680 - 0:15:33.600
Right, and the passage of time, I mean,
0:15:34.720 - 0:15:38.640
we would spend so much time
shooting the travel sequences
0:15:38.640 - 0:15:42.400
so that as a viewer,
you would feel the passage of time,
0:15:42.400 - 0:15:45.920
because that's a big part of travel.
0:15:45.920 - 0:15:48.080
When you're traveling
with other people,
0:15:48.080 - 0:15:50.320
you're on their schedule
0:15:50.320 - 0:15:53.200
and, and there's this thing
that happens,
0:15:53.200 - 0:15:57.200
like I noticed with,
in the Turkey episode, there's
0:15:57.200 - 0:16:00.480
this scene where I'm in a dolma,
which is like a,
0:16:00.480 - 0:16:02.240
like a van taxi.
0:16:03.120 - 0:16:04.080
This stuffed
0:16:04.080 - 0:16:07.680
vine leaf is called the Dolma
which means stuffed.
0:16:07.680 - 0:16:10.720
And they're usually stuffed
with rice and sometimes meat.
0:16:10.720 - 0:16:12.720
And this pepper dolma.
0:16:12.720 - 0:16:16.160
Oh, also, dolma because it's stuffed.
0:16:16.160 - 0:16:19.840
And this Turkish minibus
is called a dolmus,
0:16:19.840 - 0:16:22.080
which also means stuffed.
0:16:22.080 - 0:16:22.720
And there's no.
0:16:22.720 - 0:16:24.960
And you see, at the beginning,
like everyone around
0:16:24.960 - 0:16:27.440
is just like what is going on?
0:16:27.440 - 0:16:30.160
There are no smiles,
there are no smiles.
0:16:30.160 - 0:16:32.960
People are looking away,
looking down, looking
0:16:32.960 - 0:16:34.480
kind of probably unhappy
0:16:34.480 - 0:16:36.560
because
we're delaying their journey.
0:16:36.560 - 0:16:39.520
And also in that case,
our camera
0:16:39.520 - 0:16:42.240
was a camera woman, Lynne Mitchell.
0:16:42.240 - 0:16:46.480
And so we're in a muslim country
and I remember she was sitting
0:16:46.480 - 0:16:49.120
she had to prop herself
in front of me,
0:16:49.120 - 0:16:52.080
like move
between these two Turkish guys.
0:16:52.080 - 0:16:53.920
And she had got the camera on me.
0:16:53.920 - 0:16:56.400
And these Turkish guys
are being squished up
0:16:56.400 - 0:16:59.280
by this white
woman wearing short shorts.
0:16:59.280 - 0:17:02.240
So it was a quite uncomfortable
situation.
0:17:02.240 - 0:17:05.600
And, and then
but over the course of time,
0:17:05.600 - 0:17:09.360
you see, like we're talking
and laughing, we're eating together.
0:17:10.000 - 0:17:11.760
the vibe changes.
0:17:11.760 - 0:17:13.440
And that's what it feels like
0:17:13.440 - 0:17:15.360
when you're on a journey
with other people.
0:17:15.360 - 0:17:17.680
They sort of look at you,
and then over time,
0:17:17.680 - 0:17:20.880
people start to share food,
start to show photographs.
0:17:20.880 - 0:17:22.640
Even if you don't have language,
0:17:22.640 - 0:17:24.880
you know,
you find these ways to connect.
0:17:24.880 - 0:17:27.600
Well, you can see that in that clip
I'm looking at
0:17:27.600 - 0:17:30.560
I'm like, they've just shot that
between because you got two heads
0:17:30.560 - 0:17:34.160
and then your head's right in there
and they're like looking around.
0:17:34.160 - 0:17:35.920
And then like you say,
0:17:35.920 - 0:17:38.880
they got so comfortable
the geezers like that and the cameras.
0:17:38.880 - 0:17:40.960
You can see all the heads and the noses
0:17:40.960 - 0:17:42.480
just asleep like that and
0:17:42.480 - 0:17:43.840
you're still yakking at the back
0:17:43.840 - 0:17:46.000
cos it's been hours late or something.
0:17:46.000 - 0:17:48.640
Yeah no that's the that is
0:17:48.640 - 0:17:49.840
what it's about really.
0:17:49.840 - 0:17:53.520
You know, like,
so crowded, steamy, sweaty bus
0:17:53.520 - 0:17:55.920
which everyone's been going
over the cliff
0:17:55.920 - 0:17:57.920
100 miles an hour.
0:17:57.920 - 0:17:59.680
Madness. Yeah.
I mean, I think,
0:17:59.680 - 0:18:01.920
you know, I'm
thinking about some of,
0:18:01.920 - 0:18:04.960
like, there's so many ways
in which we hitchhike during Globe Trekker
0:18:04.960 - 0:18:07.030
and a lot of times
it was just,
0:18:07.030 - 0:18:09.760
you know, a big car was going
by full of people, and you
0:18:09.760 - 0:18:12.720
waved them down, you jumped in
and you got direct like that.
0:18:12.720 - 0:18:15.120
Yeah.
That hitchhiking sequence of you
0:18:15.120 - 0:18:17.280
in the Pacific Islands
0:18:17.280 - 0:18:22.628
where you're brushing
your teeth in the back.
0:18:22.628 - 0:18:25.040
Justine VO: Oh my gosh,
that was an amazing scene.
0:18:25.040 - 0:18:28.880
Like, they they're just can't
figure you out at all.
0:18:28.880 - 0:18:30.320
Like the kids,
0:18:30.320 - 0:18:33.360
the way the kids are looking at you
in the back of that truck.
0:18:33.360 - 0:18:36.240
It was also a great example of,
I think, why Globe Trekker
0:18:36.240 - 0:18:40.000
was a very particularly wonderful,
special,
0:18:40.000 - 0:18:42.640
very thoughtfully crafted travel
0:18:42.640 - 0:18:45.360
show in that
the cameraman was back there
0:18:45.360 - 0:18:47.760
with you for hours,
I could tell. Yes.
0:18:47.760 - 0:18:50.800
Must have been for hours,
because, yeah, the
0:18:50.800 - 0:18:52.880
you see how the people who
0:18:52.880 - 0:18:56.480
you are with, how they change
0:18:56.480 - 0:18:57.920
with regards to you
0:18:57.920 - 0:19:01.040
over time, because at the beginning
they look completely freaked out.
0:19:01.040 - 0:19:03.040
They they don't know what you are.
0:19:03.040 - 0:19:05.840
They look so wary of you.
0:19:05.840 - 0:19:07.360
No one is smiling.
0:19:07.360 - 0:19:09.360
And then by the end of it,
0:19:09.360 - 0:19:11.120
you know, there's just this.
0:19:11.120 - 0:19:11.520
You're right.
0:19:11.520 - 0:19:14.160
You're you're you're a human family.
0:19:15.040 - 0:19:17.520
You can't go wrong with a toothbrush, hey?
0:19:17.520 - 0:19:19.200
that the kids must have loved that.
0:19:19.200 - 0:19:22.720
And I thought, you know,
leave it to Ian to break the ice
0:19:22.720 - 0:19:26.000
with the kids. Like you,
you play games with kids.
0:19:26.000 - 0:19:28.960
I noticed that a lot in your shows
You can always reel them in
0:19:28.960 - 0:19:30.320
and I love it.
0:19:30.320 - 0:19:32.240
Anything different? Anything?
0:19:32.240 - 0:19:33.200
Anything there is.
0:19:33.200 - 0:19:35.200
I see a cheeky glint in the eye
0:19:35.200 - 0:19:37.520
and you see it in theirs,
then the sky's the limit.
0:19:37.520 - 0:19:38.960
Really? Yeah.
0:19:38.960 - 0:19:40.400
They knew
what they knew what you were
0:19:40.400 - 0:19:42.800
when you played
that toothbrush game with them.
0:19:42.800 - 0:19:44.960
Yeah. Then they know, right?
0:19:44.960 - 0:19:47.280
We can have fun here.
The same event.
0:19:47.280 - 0:19:50.880
When you meet people, some people
have got a glint in their eye.
0:19:50.880 - 0:19:54.000
And, you know,
after saying something dodgy
0:19:54.000 - 0:19:57.120
just to push to see how far you can
go, and they react
0:19:57.120 - 0:20:00.560
good with it,
you know, it's like fair game.
0:20:00.560 - 0:20:03.809
Now all bets are off and you.
0:20:03.809 - 0:20:03.840
Baa baa baa baa baa
baa baa baa.
0:20:03.840 - 0:20:04.720
And that's what happens.
0:20:04.720 - 0:20:06.800
Like you said before,
like in the Fijis,
0:20:06.800 - 0:20:08.960
when you've got no language,
0:20:08.960 - 0:20:10.720
you know, you can,
0:20:10.720 - 0:20:12.720
you just have to play, physically...
0:20:12.720 - 0:20:13.760
Baa baa baa baa baa baa.
0:20:13.760 - 0:20:16.240
And that brings soon and
kids are perfect for that.
0:20:16.240 - 0:20:18.640
So them long journeys
0:20:18.640 - 0:20:20.160
Yeah.
0:20:20.160 - 0:20:20.960
Also
0:20:20.960 - 0:20:24.080
I think that's actually if someone
were to write something about you,
0:20:24.080 - 0:20:24.960
they'd say
0:20:24.960 - 0:20:28.400
that you were able to break the ice
wherever you went in the world,
0:20:28.400 - 0:20:32.480
because you just have this
brilliant sense of physical comedy.
0:20:32.480 - 0:20:34.080
You don't need words.
0:20:34.080 - 0:20:37.440
Well, the funny thing is that
Ian Cross, our producer and,
0:20:37.440 - 0:20:38.720
you know, the guy who owns our
0:20:38.720 - 0:20:42.240
company, set the whole thing up
and who we were with.
0:20:42.240 - 0:20:44.480
He says, oh, righty.
0:20:44.480 - 0:20:45.040
Yeah.
0:20:45.040 - 0:20:47.120
All you gotta do is put him on
0:20:47.120 - 0:20:50.880
an Eastern European bus
and just watch him go, mate.
0:20:50.880 - 0:20:52.280
And that just like that's his quote.
0:20:52.280 - 0:20:52.560
It’s, it’s.
0:20:52.560 - 0:20:56.320
"Just watch him go.
Wind him up and put him on.
0:20:56.320 - 0:21:00.400
He's gone."
0:21:01.520 - 0:21:03.280
Comedy gold mine.
0:21:03.280 - 0:21:05.440
Yeah, I love that quote.
0:21:05.440 - 0:21:06.240
Yeah.
0:21:06.240 - 0:21:07.360
It's not Australian.
0:21:07.360 - 0:21:10.800
You know, Ian, what I thought
about with hitchhiking is, is,
0:21:12.080 - 0:21:13.360
you know, in the show, it was,
0:21:13.360 - 0:21:16.400
you know, one of the many,
many modes of travel.
0:21:16.400 - 0:21:19.440
And in the early days
when we were filming,
0:21:19.440 - 0:21:22.480
we were all very keen to find
0:21:22.480 - 0:21:25.840
many different modes of travel
to get from one point to another.
0:21:25.840 - 0:21:29.440
You know, these days, people just rent
a car and they're just in the car the whole time.
0:21:29.440 - 0:21:29.920
Yeah.
0:21:29.920 - 0:21:33.440
So, you know, sometimes we were able
to take an internal flight
0:21:33.440 - 0:21:36.720
because one existed
or we had the money for it, or
0:21:36.720 - 0:21:39.440
if we didn't have the money for it,
then we had to find out
0:21:39.440 - 0:21:42.400
if it was a bus or a train or hitchhiking.
0:21:42.400 - 0:21:45.200
Usually a plane because the distance
0:21:45.200 - 0:21:47.680
or the isolation was so insane.
0:21:47.680 - 0:21:49.040
That's the only time to get a plane.
0:21:49.040 - 0:21:51.360
Otherwise, we was in the back of the car
0:21:51.360 - 0:21:52.800
or van or whatever, right?
0:21:52.800 - 0:21:57.280
Right. And so in Italy, this was
0:21:57.280 - 0:22:01.200
this was one of those moments
in life that if you were to film it
0:22:01.200 - 0:22:03.840
or even I'm
going to tell you the story of it,
0:22:03.840 - 0:22:08.080
you just wouldn't
believe it, because it was so
0:22:08.080 - 0:22:09.520
sort of magical.
0:22:09.520 - 0:22:12.720
So we were in the south of Italy
figuring out
0:22:12.720 - 0:22:15.360
how we were going to do this
next bit of the trip
0:22:15.360 - 0:22:17.600
down to Calabria
0:22:17.600 - 0:22:19.760
in the south of Italy.
0:22:19.760 - 0:22:21.680
And I remember
0:22:21.680 - 0:22:23.760
saying, oh, I'd be so cool
0:22:23.760 - 0:22:26.560
if one of those cinque-centos.
0:22:26.560 - 0:22:27.680
I think that's how you say it.
0:22:27.680 - 0:22:31.280
Those these little 500 cc cars,
you know, came up with
0:22:31.280 - 0:22:34.400
that was painted
with lots of different colors,
0:22:34.400 - 0:22:36.520
like something crazy,
like a really cool saying.
0:22:36.520 - 0:22:38.720
Now I know what you mean.
Yes, yes, yes.
0:22:38.720 - 0:22:40.800
I said, wouldn't it be cool
if, like, a really cool
0:22:40.800 - 0:22:43.120
car came up like a cinquecento?
0:22:43.120 - 0:22:44.880
I think I even said that,
I don't know.
0:22:44.880 - 0:22:47.680
And then I swear to God, the words
were hardly out of my mouth.
0:22:47.680 - 0:22:50.080
And that car from Italy,
0:22:50.080 - 0:22:52.160
you know, came up to us
0:22:52.160 - 0:22:54.160
and there were a sister-
brother,couple.
0:22:54.160 - 0:22:55.680
They could not have been nicer.
0:22:55.680 - 0:22:59.280
And we stopped them and we asked
if we could hang out with them.
0:22:59.280 - 0:22:59.920
And they were,
0:22:59.920 - 0:23:01.680
we were with them for three days.
0:23:01.680 - 0:23:03.760
Wow.
What's what's it called again?
0:23:03.760 - 0:23:05.000
Cinquecento
Cinquecento
0:23:05.000 - 0:23:07.680
So you think my pack's gonna fit in here?
0:23:07.680 - 0:23:13.520
Justine VO: And like, a lot of travel shows,
0:23:13.520 - 0:23:15.120
you're going from place to place.
0:23:15.120 - 0:23:17.360
The sort of how you get there
0:23:17.360 - 0:23:19.280
isn't a huge part of the show.
0:23:19.280 - 0:23:22.436
Whereas with Globe Trekker,
how we got,
0:23:22.436 - 0:23:24.800
Ian VO: yes, yes, definitely.
Justine VO: it was maybe the
0:23:24.800 - 0:23:25.912
biggest part of the show
0:23:25.912 - 0:23:28.640
Ian VO: and also within the show,
they can't be scripted
0:23:28.640 - 0:23:31.440
because they're those
whether it's hitchhiking,
0:23:31.440 - 0:23:33.920
whether it's like the ones which
I'd forgot about that
0:23:34.560 - 0:23:36.130
you buy a car and then you go
0:23:36.130 - 0:23:36.156
oh yeah, that was the best
0:23:36.156 - 0:23:41.200
and then you go around the country or camper van
with other people on your.
0:23:44.400 - 0:23:45.600
Yeah. I'll be. Bye.
0:23:45.600 - 0:23:47.760
Okay. Bye.
0:23:47.760 - 0:23:49.200
I think I just bought a car.
0:23:49.200 - 0:23:50.800
It's not as stupid as it sounds.
0:23:50.800 - 0:23:52.240
A lot of travelers do it.
0:23:52.240 - 0:23:53.680
It's a great way to see the country.
0:23:53.680 - 0:23:58.000
When I'm finished,
I can sell it to somebody else.
0:23:58.000 - 0:24:00.640
Is there a place that you can put this
where guests can see it?
0:24:00.640 - 0:24:02.640
Sure. No problem. Alright. Thanks.
0:24:02.640 - 0:24:05.520
I have a feeling this car is going
to be a little bit of a gas guzzler,
0:24:05.520 - 0:24:08.320
but shouldn't be too hard
to find somebody reliable.
0:24:08.320 - 0:24:12.320
Responsible who can help me share costs.
0:24:12.320 - 0:24:13.920
So, do you like to drive?
0:24:13.920 - 0:24:17.120
I like I like traveling a lot.
0:24:17.120 - 0:24:19.280
Yeah, in my mind.
0:24:19.280 - 0:24:21.200
And we could take them to Sedona
and I could, like,
0:24:21.200 - 0:24:22.960
sell some to the gourmet markets,
you know?
0:24:22.960 - 0:24:25.360
I mean, it'd be really a great
opportunity for me to make money.
0:24:25.360 - 0:24:31.120
Excuse me.
I could drink some coffee now.
0:24:31.120 - 0:24:32.240
Ha, ha.
0:24:32.240 - 0:24:32.640
Okay.
0:24:32.640 - 0:24:34.400
Let's go. I'll drive.
0:24:34.400 - 0:24:35.040
You got a long car?
0:24:35.040 - 0:24:36.560
Because I got a big boom.
You know it.
0:24:36.560 - 0:24:37.520
Yes. Is a big one.
0:24:37.520 - 0:24:38.720
You could put it on
the top like that.
0:24:38.720 - 0:24:44.320
And I got a couple of surfboards
in the back seats, like that.
0:24:44.320 - 0:24:44.880
I'd like to
0:24:44.880 - 0:24:47.840
see some of the less traveled
places.
0:24:47.840 - 0:24:48.800
I'm a good driver.
0:24:48.800 - 0:24:51.360
I don't smoke, drink just a little.
0:24:51.360 - 0:24:52.240
I'd love to go.
0:24:52.240 - 0:24:54.800
So, when are you ready?
0:24:54.800 - 0:24:56.240
We just left Tucson.
0:24:56.240 - 0:24:58.400
I had no idea
the car was going to be this big,
0:24:58.400 - 0:24:59.920
but the mechanic checked it out.
0:24:59.920 - 0:25:02.960
Says it runs a little hot,
drinks a lot of gas, but
0:25:02.960 - 0:25:05.040
so far, so good, right, Lisa?
0:25:05.040 - 0:25:09.040
Open air, open skies, open road.
0:25:09.040 - 0:25:12.720
The spaces between the places
we were filming on the southwest USA
0:25:12.720 - 0:25:16.000
shoot were just massive,
so we had to figure out
0:25:16.000 - 0:25:18.640
interesting ways
for me to from A to B to Z
0:25:18.640 - 0:25:22.720
So for one-third of the journey
I rode a Harley Davidson.
0:25:22.720 - 0:25:24.080
Oh man. Were you on the back
0:25:24.080 - 0:25:25.520
or were you riding it?
0:25:25.520 - 0:25:27.440
I was riding the bloody thing, Ian!
0:25:27.440 - 0:25:30.560
and so they said to me, alright,
you're going to do southwest USA
0:25:30.560 - 0:25:34.560
and you're going to need to ride
a motorcycle, so go take motorcycle
0:25:34.560 - 0:25:35.280
riding lessons.
0:25:35.280 - 0:25:36.160
That's why I asked,
0:25:36.160 - 0:25:39.280
because I’m thinking,
I've never, I've never ridden a motorcycle.
0:25:39.280 - 0:25:40.000
Never.
0:25:40.000 - 0:25:42.560
But I took classes
and how to ride a motorcycle.
0:25:42.560 - 0:25:46.480
And the guy said to me,
he said you said
0:25:46.480 - 0:25:49.120
your legs are really skinny.
0:25:49.120 - 0:25:50.880
Don't let them put you on a Harley.
0:25:50.880 - 0:25:52.160
So I called the production.
0:25:52.160 - 0:25:52.480
I was like,
0:25:52.480 - 0:25:54.080
can you just make sure
that they don't
0:25:54.080 - 0:25:56.400
have a Harley waiting for me
when I get there?
0:25:56.400 - 0:25:57.760
You're in America, baby!
0:25:57.760 - 0:25:58.240
No worry.
0:25:58.240 - 0:25:59.440
Of course I rock up.
0:25:59.440 - 0:26:01.840
And the producer says, oh, Justine,
I know we weren't
0:26:01.840 - 0:26:04.960
supposed to put you on a Harley, but
we found the most amazing Harley.
0:26:04.960 - 0:26:05.520
It's gorgeous.
0:26:05.520 - 0:26:07.200
You're going to look great on it.
Good.
0:26:07.200 - 0:26:10.720
I was like,
it was very scary riding that.
0:26:10.720 - 0:26:11.640
And then it was also.
0:26:11.640 - 0:26:25.840
Yeah, just incredibly fun.
0:26:25.840 - 0:26:28.080
And I was shit scared.
0:26:28.080 - 0:26:31.040
I mean, I was wearing, like,
full leathers and a helmet.
0:26:31.040 - 0:26:35.520
I mean, I don't know where you saw
the fear, but the fear was there,
0:26:35.520 - 0:26:39.040
and the director, he said to me,
0:26:39.040 - 0:26:40.560
stop being afraid.
0:26:40.560 - 0:26:42.160
It's not cool.
0:26:42.160 - 0:26:44.775
You're like, yeah, no, seriously.
0:26:44.775 - 0:26:47.040
Ian: That’s brilliant.
No, seriously, baby, come on.
0:26:47.040 - 0:26:49.040
And I was like, but I am afraid.
0:26:49.040 - 0:26:51.680
And he was like,
yeah, but like, you're on camera,
0:26:51.680 - 0:26:53.840
like you're this travel host.
0:26:53.840 - 0:26:57.040
You're riding a Harley,
like you're into it.
0:26:57.040 - 0:26:58.320
I was like...
0:26:59.200 - 0:27:00.560
I'm not, really.
0:27:00.560 - 0:27:02.480
Yeah, that's brilliant.
0:27:02.480 - 0:27:03.600
Show no fear man!
0:27:04.160 - 0:27:04.640
Get down,
0:27:04.640 - 0:27:06.080
give me five!
0:27:06.080 - 0:27:07.920
That's a, the beauty of the show
0:27:07.920 - 0:27:11.360
is showing your insecurities
and your fear about things.
0:27:11.360 - 0:27:14.480
Because then by the end of it,
you're like, wow, it's brilliant.
0:27:14.480 - 0:27:16.640
But hitchhiking is such,
0:27:16.640 - 0:27:18.640
you know,
I feel when I've been thinking
0:27:18.640 - 0:27:21.120
about hitchhiking a lot lately,
you know, since we decided
0:27:21.120 - 0:27:24.080
this was going to be kind of our
first themed episode.
0:27:24.960 - 0:27:27.840
And, I
0:27:27.840 - 0:27:30.480
have never felt so old as when I
0:27:30.480 - 0:27:35.440
was thinking about hitchhiking,
because I remember the brain
0:27:35.440 - 0:27:38.720
I had.
0:27:38.720 - 0:27:40.720
Just loved hitchhiking and and
0:27:40.720 - 0:27:44.240
and it was really not like,
oh, I'm in a,
0:27:44.240 - 0:27:46.000
I'm a, I'm a brave person.
0:27:46.000 - 0:27:47.040
I'm going to go hitchhike.
0:27:47.040 - 0:27:50.640
It was more like,
I don't have any money.
0:27:50.640 - 0:27:53.680
And this is a practically
0:27:53.680 - 0:27:56.720
free way to get from A to B and
0:27:58.640 - 0:28:00.160
it's as you say,
0:28:00.160 - 0:28:02.880
you're sitting with somebody,
you hope they're a good driver.
0:28:02.880 - 0:28:06.400
You're you're also learning a lot
about the place that you're in.
0:28:06.400 - 0:28:08.000
It's such a win win.
0:28:08.000 - 0:28:09.760
And of course, you know,
you're an animal.
0:28:09.760 - 0:28:10.880
You've got your instincts.
0:28:10.880 - 0:28:14.480
You don't just get in the car
with, you know,
0:28:14.480 - 0:28:16.720
someone who really looks really
0:28:16.720 - 0:28:19.440
I mean, you have an opportunity
to not get in.
0:28:19.440 - 0:28:20.640
You look, you check.
0:28:20.640 - 0:28:23.200
It's part of your, your nature.
0:28:23.200 - 0:28:23.760
You know.
0:28:23.760 - 0:28:27.440
Well it's also the psyche,
the psychological part of
0:28:27.440 - 0:28:30.960
it must be so much different
for women hitchhiking on their own.
0:28:30.960 - 0:28:33.440
I mean, I, imagine, you’ll be more aware
I know it's like,
0:28:33.440 - 0:28:36.240
Is he going to be hot?
Is he going to be hot in bed or not?
0:28:36.240 - 0:28:37.120
That kind of thing.
0:28:37.120 - 0:28:38.400
And that's exactly what I meant.
0:28:38.400 - 0:28:40.560
I'm glad that we cleared that up.
0:28:40.560 - 0:28:42.400
Good.
Next subject.
0:28:42.400 - 0:28:43.680
Yeah.
So, I mean, I,
0:28:43.680 - 0:28:47.280
I think women have different
instincts and maybe, you know.
0:28:47.280 - 0:28:49.760
Well, it's well,
I think it's more vulnerable.
0:28:49.760 - 0:28:50.640
Absolutely.
0:28:50.640 - 0:28:52.880
I've, I would say I have
I mean, I don't understand
0:28:52.880 - 0:28:55.440
how people walk around with earbuds
in their ears.
0:28:55.440 - 0:28:58.640
I am, I am like 360 all the time.
0:28:58.640 - 0:29:01.760
I just have like cars, vehicles,
0:29:01.760 - 0:29:03.920
people, wheelchairs,
0:29:03.920 - 0:29:06.320
you know,
I mean, I just want to know.
0:29:06.320 - 0:29:09.520
I want to hear everything I get hear,
I want to see everything I can see
0:29:09.520 - 0:29:11.120
Yeah, absolutely.
0:29:14.160 - 0:29:14.560
I mean,
0:29:14.560 - 0:29:17.680
I, I'm sure, you know,
we've all we all take risks,
0:29:17.680 - 0:29:21.440
but we all have our own ideas
of what safety is, of course.
0:29:21.440 - 0:29:23.680
And sometimes you ain't got a clue.
0:29:23.680 - 0:29:25.120
You check, It looks all right.
0:29:25.120 - 0:29:27.360
I've had some nutty experiences
0:29:27.360 - 0:29:29.840
where they turn out
to be an absolute psycho.
0:29:29.840 - 0:29:32.240
The thing was,
when we were hitchhiking,
0:29:32.240 - 0:29:35.360
the way you do it is, like you turn up at junction
and roundabout
0:29:35.360 - 0:29:37.600
and you'd have a sign of
0:29:37.600 - 0:29:39.920
that's the best way,
because if you're in the car,
0:29:39.920 - 0:29:42.640
you've got a split second
to make a decision
0:29:42.640 - 0:29:44.400
and you see a sign that's where I’m going.
0:29:44.400 - 0:29:45.760
So the hitchhiker is
0:29:45.760 - 0:29:47.280
holding a sign saying,
yeah, made of cardboard
0:29:47.280 - 0:29:48.480
Barcelona
0:29:48.480 - 0:29:50.480
Yeah, por favor
0:29:50.480 - 0:29:51.994
Por favor.
0:29:51.994 - 0:29:54.160
Yeah. Okay.
So you've been so you've got.
0:29:54.160 - 0:29:54.640
That's right.
0:29:54.640 - 0:29:57.680
Those guys I remember having, like,
a big cardboard thing
0:29:57.680 - 0:30:00.128
saying where they were going,
you know, Wichita.
0:30:00.128 - 0:30:01.200
So I did it in that Bulgarian
0:30:01.200 - 0:30:01.840
The Bulgarian.
0:30:01.840 - 0:30:03.720
There were not the Bulgarian there.
0:30:03.720 - 0:30:04.720
Oh, random.
0:30:04.720 - 0:30:07.200
Well, I,
I love that hitchhiking scene.
0:30:07.200 - 0:30:09.680
You're holding a sign
saying Bulgaria.
0:30:09.680 - 0:30:12.200
Yes. Yeah, yeah
0:30:12.200 - 0:30:13.345
Bulgaria. No, no.
0:30:13.345 - 0:30:15.200
Anyone heading Bulgaria. No.
0:30:15.200 - 0:30:18.960
Oh you're in a truck.
0:30:18.960 - 0:30:20.160
Yes, I'm a driver.
0:30:20.160 - 0:30:22.960
Can I go...? [imitates horn noise]
0:30:22.960 - 0:30:24.640
No, because I don't like.
0:30:24.640 - 0:30:29.840
I don't like the horn
because ...Anyone else going Bulgaria?
0:30:29.840 - 0:30:31.680
Is that your monster truck?
0:30:31.680 - 0:30:34.480
Yeah, that blue one. Wow.
That's big.
0:30:34.480 - 0:30:34.800
Yes.
0:30:34.800 - 0:30:35.920
Blue one is mine.
0:30:35.920 - 0:30:37.600
Yeah, it's very high.
0:30:38.400 - 0:30:39.680
Let's hit the road, man.
0:30:39.680 - 0:30:40.720
Let's hit the road.
0:30:40.720 - 0:30:44.000
Oh, yeah.
0:30:44.000 - 0:30:44.960
You like a snail?
0:30:44.960 - 0:30:46.400
You got your own home with you.
0:30:46.400 - 0:30:48.720
You got bunk bed
that pulls down there.
0:30:48.720 - 0:30:49.920
Put all your goodies in there.
0:30:49.920 - 0:30:53.680
You got another bed here so you can
take people like you know, hitch.
0:30:53.680 - 0:30:55.200
Interesting hitchhikers.
0:30:55.200 - 0:31:00.696
It’s the best way to travel.
0:31:00.696 - 0:31:02.080
[imitating radio voice] Gumball Rally
10-4
0:31:02.080 - 0:31:03.680
Got ten foot on a seven foot.
0:31:03.680 - 0:31:05.280
We've got a rubber duck on the tail.
0:31:05.280 - 0:31:06.160
Moving out, yeah.
0:31:06.160 - 0:31:08.240
Yeah, got the service of convoy, boy.
0:31:08.240 - 0:31:10.160
What's your handle?
What's your name?
0:31:10.160 - 0:31:12.000
Shahmeran
Shahmeran
0:31:12.000 - 0:31:16.522
Wow, what's that? A film star?
0:31:16.522 - 0:31:16.550
Shahmeran meaning is snake.
0:31:16.550 - 0:31:19.280
Shahmeran calling.
Big snake man calling.
0:31:28.240 - 0:31:29.040
That was the last one
0:31:29.040 - 0:31:32.800
that I ever done for Lonely Planet,
and it was just brilliant.
0:31:32.800 - 0:31:35.040
But I've got the hippie thing on
because that used to be
0:31:35.040 - 0:31:37.040
the hippie trail
-that is right
0:31:37.040 - 0:31:38.240
almost like the Silk Road.
0:31:38.240 - 0:31:40.080
I was like, oh, how stupid is that?
0:31:40.080 - 0:31:42.160
Such a good scene, hitching.
0:31:42.160 - 0:31:44.080
And I'm like,
0:31:44.080 - 0:31:45.600
oh, Ian, stop pretending
0:31:45.600 - 0:31:48.560
you got the hippie thing on
because, a heart, you are a hippie.
0:31:48.560 - 0:31:50.560
Oh, I am, but I still hate them.
0:31:50.560 - 0:31:53.200
So, you know that don't distract me.
0:31:53.200 - 0:31:53.840
No, it's right up.
0:31:53.840 - 0:31:54.480
But that's it.
0:31:54.480 - 0:31:58.000
Like in one person, you've got a
multiplicity of perspectives.
0:31:58.000 - 0:32:01.760
You can love and hate the same thing
different times of the day, right?
0:32:01.760 - 0:32:03.040
Yeah, yeah.
0:32:03.040 - 0:32:04.880
But the thing, anyway
0:32:04.880 - 0:32:06.880
just it's the worst, most depressing
0:32:06.880 - 0:32:08.720
thing is as a hitchhiker turning up
0:32:08.720 - 0:32:10.800
and you've made it to the roundabout
0:32:10.800 - 0:32:14.640
and there's about 15
other people hitchhiking.
0:32:14.640 - 0:32:18.800
And the etiquette is you get
to the end of the queue and start.
0:32:20.000 - 0:32:21.760
and we had to sign with me
0:32:21.760 - 0:32:23.840
my when was hitching through Europe.
0:32:23.840 - 0:32:26.960
And I hate to say it, but there's nothing
fucking more annoying than a woman
0:32:26.960 - 0:32:29.760
turning up, because we've been there
for 15 minutes.
0:32:29.760 - 0:32:31.200
No one's got lift.
0:32:31.200 - 0:32:32.880
We go, well,
we'll just go to the end zone.
0:32:32.880 - 0:32:33.897
But look.
0:32:33.897 - 0:32:36.160
[imitating drivers] Oh where you going, love?
where are you going?
0:32:36.960 - 0:32:39.920
And she's picking and choosing
and we are, just like
0:32:39.920 - 0:32:42.000
just get in the car.
0:32:42.000 - 0:32:43.280
Oh, you know that,
0:32:43.280 - 0:32:47.600
that reminds me of my mom's story
when she was hitchhiking.
0:32:47.600 - 0:32:48.000
She was
0:32:48.000 - 0:32:51.360
hitchhiking for a lot of the time
with a friend of hers named Paul.
0:32:51.360 - 0:32:54.560
And Paul would wait in the bushes.
While my mom hitched
0:32:54.560 - 0:32:56.320
Yeah, we tried that one.
0:32:56.320 - 0:32:58.640
And then come out, pretend
he's just gone to the loo.
0:32:58.640 - 0:32:59.840
Was it that old chestnut?
0:33:00.480 - 0:33:00.960
Oh, yeah.
0:33:00.960 - 0:33:02.000
Oh, yeah, oh I didn't oh, sorry.
0:33:02.000 - 0:33:03.600
I was just in-
Justine: room for two?
0:33:03.600 - 0:33:05.520
because when I was doing that
I was with a friend.
0:33:05.520 - 0:33:08.080
So it was two blokes
hitchhiking in Europe
0:33:08.080 - 0:33:10.480
was about early 20s, 25
or something like that.
0:33:10.480 - 0:33:12.320
And we did a lot of hitching.
0:33:12.320 - 0:33:15.360
And the chances of getting a lift
with two blokes is quite.
0:33:15.360 - 0:33:17.280
Yeah, it's not as high.
0:33:17.280 - 0:33:20.560
So we'd have all these techniques,
I've done one where.
0:33:20.560 - 0:33:23.680
So imagine the cars here, the road there,
0:33:23.680 - 0:33:25.920
we're hitchhiking here,
0:33:25.920 - 0:33:28.560
I've put my bag like that
0:33:28.560 - 0:33:31.680
and lay down so the car can't see
0:33:31.680 - 0:33:33.680
there's a person there,
it's just looks like a bag
0:33:33.680 - 0:33:35.840
because it's just one person
hitchhiking.
0:33:35.840 - 0:33:39.680
So when they turned up and they see
there's another one lying there
0:33:39.680 - 0:33:40.160
and we're like
0:33:40.160 - 0:33:41.160
we're alright, we're alright,
0:33:41.160 - 0:33:43.200
We were like your mum at the bushes.
0:33:43.200 - 0:33:44.960
What's going on?
0:33:44.960 - 0:33:46.160
But, saying that,
0:33:46.160 - 0:33:49.680
the most insane lift we have
we ever got was...
0:33:49.680 - 0:33:51.680
So it's two blokes
0:33:51.680 - 0:33:53.680
just outside of Paris
0:33:53.680 - 0:33:55.920
and it's just getting dark and
0:33:55.920 - 0:33:59.840
and an old Citroen car pulls up.
0:33:59.840 - 0:34:02.880
There's the mum in the front- "alright there?"
0:34:02.880 - 0:34:05.040
At the back is a newborn
0:34:05.040 - 0:34:08.080
baby in a cot, two kids at the back
0:34:08.080 - 0:34:11.680
and another small
kid in the passenger seat.
0:34:11.680 - 0:34:12.240
And there's two
0:34:12.240 - 0:34:15.280
blokes and we're like...
and she's like...
0:34:15.280 - 0:34:16.160
And we're like, yeah.
0:34:16.160 - 0:34:16.960
She's like, yeah, get.
0:34:16.960 - 0:34:19.680
And just move over,
get a kid on your lap and you know,
0:34:19.680 - 0:34:23.680
get you come in front and sit with,
you know, Geraldine and that.
0:34:23.680 - 0:34:25.440
So we squeezed in with kids
0:34:25.440 - 0:34:28.880
on the laps of the kids at the front
and she's like, oh, woohoo!
0:34:28.880 - 0:34:30.800
Half an hour down the road.
0:34:30.800 - 0:34:31.920
Extraordinary.
0:34:31.920 - 0:34:34.320
And by the time that it was getting
dark, she's like, oh yeah.
0:34:34.320 - 0:34:38.240
See, like I'm like,
that was extraordinary.
0:34:38.240 - 0:34:40.720
You know, you get that
in, you get these.
0:34:40.720 - 0:34:42.320
That's why hitchhiking is the best.
0:34:42.320 - 0:34:46.320
You get- it really
put my faith back into humanity,
0:34:46.320 - 0:34:48.480
because most of the time
the people that pick
0:34:48.480 - 0:34:52.720
you up are so chilled and so just
interested in you, generous.
0:34:52.720 - 0:34:55.600
You know,
you might get a ten minute lift,
0:34:55.600 - 0:34:59.040
and then he starts, he opens up
the bag, he's doing your coffee.
0:34:59.040 - 0:35:00.960
Eating all, all things or stuff.
0:35:00.960 - 0:35:02.080
Well, you might be stuck in there
0:35:02.080 - 0:35:05.440
for eight hours just chatting
and then it's just it's
0:35:05.440 - 0:35:07.360
I think the radical truth is that
0:35:07.360 - 0:35:09.600
people are really lovely and
0:35:09.600 - 0:35:14.480
yeah, you know, it's, just,
0:35:16.080 - 0:35:17.040
just
0:35:17.040 - 0:35:18.640
feels sad that,
0:35:22.080 - 0:35:23.920
It just feels sad
0:35:23.920 - 0:35:26.320
that there's just so much, fear.
0:35:26.320 - 0:35:27.120
It's kind of like,
0:35:27.120 - 0:35:30.160
you know, there's so much division
now, so much fear.
0:35:30.160 - 0:35:31.906
Division.
0:35:31.906 - 0:35:33.120
It's all like mistrust.
0:35:33.120 - 0:35:34.880
You know, there's division,
but there's also
0:35:34.880 - 0:35:35.600
this kind of,
0:35:37.520 - 0:35:38.480
like,
0:35:38.480 - 0:35:41.200
perception becomes reality
very quickly,
0:35:41.200 - 0:35:44.800
you know, like,
I remember in the 70s in Berkeley,
0:35:44.800 - 0:35:47.760
it was, you know, I didn't sleep
0:35:47.760 - 0:35:49.600
very well at night because,
0:35:49.600 - 0:35:53.280
you know, there was a kidnaping
a few blocks away
0:35:53.280 - 0:35:57.360
well babysitter, skinning kids
next door babysitters, skinny kids.
0:35:57.360 - 0:35:59.920
There was a rapist
in the neighborhood.
0:36:00.720 - 0:36:03.360
There was a, you know,
0:36:04.000 - 0:36:04.320
you know,
0:36:04.320 - 0:36:07.600
there were times
I really didn't feel safe.
0:36:07.600 - 0:36:08.000
Yeah.
Yeah.
0:36:08.000 - 0:36:10.313
Understand that,
it’s different
0:36:10.313 - 0:36:12.000
I also understand that
0:36:12.000 - 0:36:14.640
it's the feeling of fear,
0:36:16.080 - 0:36:18.640
is so something we all understand
0:36:18.640 - 0:36:20.720
and none of us really want
0:36:20.720 - 0:36:22.240
to feel.
0:36:22.240 - 0:36:24.800
And I remember there was this
0:36:24.800 - 0:36:29.360
big movement called
Take Back the Night.
0:36:29.360 - 0:36:31.760
Women unite,
take back the night
0:36:31.760 - 0:36:32.548
Women unite,
take back the night
0:36:32.548 - 0:36:34.800
Women unite,
2000 women marched to San Francisco
0:36:34.800 - 0:36:37.600
last night
protesting violence against women.
0:36:37.600 - 0:36:40.160
Carrie Attis, the take back the Night Coalition
0:36:40.160 - 0:36:41.600
says that the prevalence of violence
0:36:41.600 - 0:36:45.280
was the primary reason for the march.
In San Francisco for Pacifica.
0:36:45.280 - 0:36:46.960
I'm Pamela Hallsure.
0:36:46.960 - 0:36:49.360
I was like 14, 15
when it was kind of big.
0:36:49.360 - 0:36:52.160
I think in the Bay Area,
Women Take Back the Night.
0:36:52.160 - 0:36:53.760
There was a big movement in London.
0:36:53.760 - 0:36:55.680
Women Take Back the Night,
and I didn't really understand,
0:36:55.680 - 0:36:57.360
like, what was this all about?
0:36:57.360 - 0:37:00.240
And then it was explained to me
that because women
0:37:00.240 - 0:37:03.520
were so fearful of being hurt,
0:37:04.400 - 0:37:06.160
nobody was walking around at night,
0:37:06.160 - 0:37:08.160
so there was nobody
on the street at night.
0:37:08.160 - 0:37:10.080
And so the streets became really
0:37:10.080 - 0:37:12.880
not a very safe place to go
because nobody was there.
0:37:12.880 - 0:37:17.280
And it was like this circle
of perception, like it's it's scary.
0:37:17.280 - 0:37:18.240
So don't go there.
0:37:18.240 - 0:37:19.520
So then it becomes scary.
0:37:19.520 - 0:37:21.520
And it's the same with hitchhiking,
where it's like,
0:37:21.520 - 0:37:22.880
oh, hitchhiking bad.
0:37:22.880 - 0:37:25.200
But actually, is hitchhiking really
0:37:25.200 - 0:37:27.760
any more dangerous than X, Y or Z?
0:37:27.760 - 0:37:30.880
Yes. No, I agree,
I think, when was that?
0:37:30.880 - 0:37:34.240
Was in the 80s or 70s
when you take back the streets?
0:37:34.240 - 0:37:37.427
I was like late 70s, I think.
0:37:37.427 - 0:37:37.432
Okay.
0:37:37.432 - 0:37:40.240
Because I think, yeah, I mean,
I don't know, but it feels like
0:37:40.240 - 0:37:43.920
it's gone
a little bit towards that, now.
0:37:43.920 - 0:37:47.440
Most people don't feel as
0:37:47.440 - 0:37:48.880
safe at night
0:37:48.880 - 0:37:52.080
walking around older people,
younger people, whatever.
0:37:52.080 - 0:37:54.000
And for whatever reason.
0:37:54.000 - 0:37:55.280
But, you know, hitchhiking.
0:37:55.280 - 0:37:57.680
I think the perception
of hitchhiking
0:37:57.680 - 0:37:59.600
changed a lot
when that movie came out
0:37:59.600 - 0:38:03.600
that you were talking about
that even even without the film,
0:38:03.600 - 0:38:04.960
there wasn't that many.
0:38:04.960 - 0:38:08.000
There was a small minority,
small amount of people
0:38:08.000 - 0:38:10.320
that was actually hitchhiking.
0:38:10.320 - 0:38:13.280
And it was always seen as something
a little bit
0:38:13.280 - 0:38:16.640
risky and a little bit, you know,
why would you do that?
0:38:16.640 - 0:38:18.400
Don't tell anyone. Yeah.
0:38:18.400 - 0:38:21.520
No, it wasn't, it wasn't
it wasn't at all.
0:38:21.520 - 0:38:21.760
I mean,
-It was in England.
0:38:21.760 - 0:38:24.880
it just wasn't something
people really
0:38:24.880 - 0:38:27.600
wasn't really super questioned.
0:38:27.600 - 0:38:30.080
I mean, people just hitched.
0:38:30.080 - 0:38:32.480
Yeah. Well, in England we didn't.
0:38:32.480 - 0:38:33.840
It was much rarer.
0:38:33.840 - 0:38:36.480
I mean, there was a lot
more people then.
0:38:36.480 - 0:38:36.980
than
0:38:37.200 - 0:38:40.560
I haven't seen anyone
hitchhiking that side of the road
0:38:40.560 - 0:38:42.400
for years.
Well, you're absolutely right.
0:38:42.400 - 0:38:43.520
You're absolutely right,
0:38:43.520 - 0:38:45.840
because I'm
speaking in such generalities.
0:38:45.840 - 0:38:49.360
So I mean, I'm talking about,
0:38:49.360 - 0:38:51.760
Berkeley, California.
0:38:51.760 - 0:38:54.080
And Berkeley, California,
when I was growing up,
0:38:54.080 - 0:38:58.000
was kind of a lot about,
you know, social connection
0:38:58.000 - 0:39:01.760
and cross-cultural communication
and trust.
0:39:01.760 - 0:39:03.680
And you know, fellow man.
0:39:03.680 - 0:39:07.040
And so I think hitching had a more,
0:39:07.840 - 0:39:11.200
was was more prevalent
in, in the Bay Area.
0:39:11.200 - 0:39:12.480
Okay.
0:39:12.480 - 0:39:14.480
But I remember when I first traveled
0:39:14.480 - 0:39:16.720
in Europe,
0:39:16.720 - 0:39:18.320
the roads were long.
0:39:18.320 - 0:39:20.320
There wasn't much between them.
0:39:20.320 - 0:39:24.240
There were long, long stretches
in Europe compared with America?
0:39:24.240 - 0:39:27.040
Bloody hell.
No, I never
0:39:27.040 - 0:39:29.040
I never hitched around
the United States.
0:39:29.040 - 0:39:31.600
I hitched locally in the Bay Area,
and I did.
0:39:31.600 - 0:39:34.400
I still do sometimes,
you know, I'll just catch a ride,
0:39:34.400 - 0:39:37.440
hitch a ride down to the BART
station, the subway.
0:39:37.440 - 0:39:40.880
But in terms of hitching
long stretches,
0:39:40.880 - 0:39:42.880
that's something I did more
0:39:42.880 - 0:39:45.360
in southern Europe.
0:39:45.360 - 0:39:47.360
Yeah, yeah, now that makes sense.
0:39:47.360 - 0:39:50.880
See, I don't see any
hitchhikers on the road now.
0:39:50.880 - 0:39:52.720
Yeah.
I can't remember... the
0:39:52.720 - 0:39:56.400
last time I picked up
someone was about six years ago.
0:39:56.400 - 0:39:58.626
Just on the roundabout.
A couple.
0:39:58.626 - 0:39:59.840
Well, because can I, can I just say
0:39:59.840 - 0:40:02.000
they annoyed the shit out of me
0:40:02.000 - 0:40:04.080
because the whole, the point of
0:40:04.960 - 0:40:06.480
picking people up, is also,
0:40:06.480 - 0:40:07.520
It's about company.
0:40:07.520 - 0:40:09.520
You're not a bloody cab driver.
0:40:09.520 - 0:40:11.440
That's
the other thing about hitchhiking.
0:40:11.440 - 0:40:13.200
You're there to chat to people
0:40:13.200 - 0:40:15.280
that a lot of people,
especially in Germany,
0:40:15.280 - 0:40:18.640
best place to hitch in the world
because lots of big cars, autobahns,
0:40:18.640 - 0:40:21.360
a lot of people,
it's their work car.
0:40:21.360 - 0:40:24.680
They go fast and they just want to
chat to someone because it's boring.
0:40:24.680 - 0:40:27.200
Yeah.
And that you're getting
0:40:27.200 - 0:40:30.560
picked up for your company,
not because they-
0:40:30.560 - 0:40:31.760
These assholes
0:40:31.760 - 0:40:35.280
just got in, sat in the back,
a couple
0:40:35.280 - 0:40:36.960
chatting amongst themselves.
0:40:36.960 - 0:40:40.560
And I'm thinking and I'm listening
and I'm chatting trying to chat to him,
0:40:40.560 - 0:40:42.880
and I was like.
0:40:42.880 - 0:40:43.920
they didn't get it.
0:40:43.920 - 0:40:45.120
They didn't understand.
0:40:45.120 - 0:40:47.345
Well, I think it's hitchhiking,
0:40:47.345 - 0:40:49.760
it's, it's not like there's only
a percent of chilled out people.
0:40:49.760 - 0:40:50.960
They're going to pick you up anyways
0:40:50.960 - 0:40:54.560
because most people see a hitchhiker
and they're like you know,
0:40:54.560 - 0:40:57.520
you know, we forget
the fear of people actually driving the cars.
0:40:57.520 - 0:40:59.680
We'll be like bollocks and I'm picking them up
0:40:59.680 - 0:41:03.280
And if they haven't hitchhike
at most people, if
0:41:03.280 - 0:41:06.320
if you've done hitchhiking,
you'll pick a hitchhiker
0:41:06.320 - 0:41:08.560
who's, you know
will be on the side of the road.
0:41:08.560 - 0:41:09.120
Right.
0:41:09.120 - 0:41:12.320
So for most people, it's fair
to pick up hitchhikers.
0:41:12.320 - 0:41:12.880
Of course.
0:41:12.880 - 0:41:14.640
You know,
what's the most fun thing is
0:41:14.640 - 0:41:17.520
when I go to the bottom of the road
because it's quite steep.
0:41:17.520 - 0:41:18.560
It's not that long a walk.
0:41:18.560 - 0:41:21.680
It's maybe a 30 minute
walk to the BART station.
0:41:21.680 - 0:41:23.440
But what is so interesting
0:41:23.440 - 0:41:27.040
is when I when I'm hitching,
I see the kids.
0:41:27.040 - 0:41:30.383
They're like [staring out a window]
Yes! I was just thinking that.
0:41:30.383 - 0:41:31.920
[imitating kids] What is that?
0:41:31.920 - 0:41:33.520
They don't understand.
0:41:33.520 - 0:41:36.160
And then I see the parents
kind of trying to explain
0:41:36.160 - 0:41:38.000
as they drive away. Yeah, yeah.
0:41:38.000 - 0:41:39.920
[imitating parents] "She's mental.
0:41:39.920 - 0:41:42.160
You don't look at her,
don't look into her eyes.
0:41:42.160 - 0:41:44.297
You know,
they used to do that in the 70s."
0:41:44.297 - 0:41:46.400
[indicating craziness] Woo hoo hoo.
0:41:46.400 - 0:41:46.960
Oh, God.
0:41:46.960 - 0:41:50.800
I remember once
I was really late to a class and
0:41:50.800 - 0:41:53.760
it was like either
I was going to have to run flat out
0:41:53.760 - 0:41:57.120
in my clogs for 20 minutes, or like,
I saw this one
0:41:57.120 - 0:41:59.840
car coming around the corner,
and I just, I just I just
0:41:59.840 - 0:42:01.840
this was like,
this is like last year.
0:42:01.840 - 0:42:04.400
And I threw my hand out,
you know, to stop the car.
0:42:04.400 - 0:42:06.720
I and I didn't
even have time to check.
0:42:06.720 - 0:42:09.520
And the guy
kind of rolls down the window.
0:42:09.520 - 0:42:12.400
And I like this blast of of weed,
0:42:12.400 - 0:42:14.640
like just billows out of the window
0:42:14.640 - 0:42:16.720
and I'm like, can you just
can you get me up the road?
0:42:16.720 - 0:42:17.440
Can you get me up the road?
0:42:17.440 - 0:42:19.120
And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:42:19.120 - 0:42:20.800
And he looked at me
like I was crazy.
0:42:20.800 - 0:42:22.480
He was like, yeah. It's like,
okay, great, great.
0:42:22.480 - 0:42:23.680
And I'm opening the door.
0:42:23.680 - 0:42:24.880
He's like, push it.
0:42:24.880 - 0:42:26.880
He's like, you know, pushing
0:42:26.880 - 0:42:31.200
the weed off the passenger seat
so I could sit down
0:42:31.200 - 0:42:33.040
and, boom, he got me there.
0:42:33.040 - 0:42:34.960
I wasn't even thinking about danger.
0:42:34.960 - 0:42:37.360
I just needed to get to that class.
0:42:37.360 - 0:42:39.360
There you go,
0:42:39.360 - 0:42:40.560
Ian, do you ever hitchhike
0:42:40.560 - 0:42:43.360
around your town,
or would you hitchhike
0:42:43.360 - 0:42:47.040
a long stretch somewhere else
these days?
0:42:47.040 - 0:42:49.080
Just before, when
you were talking about hitchhiking
0:42:49.080 - 0:42:51.360
And that made me realize, actually,
0:42:51.360 - 0:42:54.480
I'd probably feel a bit embarrassed
because people are looking at me
0:42:54.480 - 0:42:58.320
and half of people wouldn't
even know what... "what's he doing?"
0:42:58.320 - 0:43:01.440
"I've seen it in the film,
you know, 30 years ago.
0:43:01.440 - 0:43:02.000
What's he doing?
0:43:02.000 - 0:43:03.120
Is he really.
0:43:03.120 - 0:43:05.600
He's gonna sign- Ipswich
written on it.
0:43:05.600 - 0:43:06.880
What's he doing?"
0:43:06.880 - 0:43:07.920
I think that would be.
0:43:07.920 - 0:43:08.800
That'd be weird.
0:43:08.800 - 0:43:11.200
But then that is a thing.
0:43:12.400 - 0:43:14.880
Where did the whole thumb thing
come from?
0:43:14.880 - 0:43:16.480
I don't know! That's interesting innit?
0:43:16.480 - 0:43:18.160
There's a thumbs up for "yay"
0:43:18.160 - 0:43:20.240
And then there's the thumb
for hitchhiking.
0:43:20.240 - 0:43:22.880
Yes. Right. Yeah. Hitchin' a riiiiide.
Yeah.
0:43:22.880 - 0:43:25.040
I think it became kind of popular
0:43:25.040 - 0:43:29.360
as a sort of sweet thing to do
in, that film
0:43:29.360 - 0:43:32.000
with Clark Gable, and I think it's
0:43:32.000 - 0:43:34.640
Claudette Colbert?
0:43:35.200 - 0:43:36.160
It Happened One Night.
0:43:36.160 - 0:43:37.840
Did you ever see It Happened
One Night?
0:43:37.840 - 0:43:39.280
Maybe, but years ago.
0:43:39.280 - 0:43:41.120
It's suppose
nobody stops for us,
0:43:41.920 - 0:43:43.120
they'll stop all right.
0:43:43.120 - 0:43:44.640
It's all that old thumb, see.
0:43:44.640 - 0:43:44.960
Here.
0:43:44.960 - 0:43:49.680
Now, some people
do it like this or like this.
0:43:49.680 - 0:43:50.240
All wrong.
0:43:50.240 - 0:43:51.440
Never get anywhere.
0:43:51.440 - 0:43:52.240
The poor thing.
0:43:52.240 - 0:43:52.720
Yeah, boy.
0:43:52.720 - 0:43:54.240
But that old thumb never failed.
0:43:54.240 - 0:43:55.600
Here comes the car.
0:43:55.600 - 0:43:56.800
Okay, now watch me.
0:43:56.800 - 0:44:05.520
Keep your eye on that thumb, baby,
and see what happens.
0:44:05.520 - 0:44:08.960
I stood up my eye on the thumb.
0:44:08.960 - 0:44:10.400
It reminds me of that,
0:44:10.400 - 0:44:13.280
that scene in the Baja show where you,
0:44:13.280 - 0:44:16.480
as the hitchhiker, are imitating the driver.
Yes.
0:44:16.480 - 0:44:18.000
Yeah, that's the one.
0:44:18.880 - 0:44:20.760
I'm on my way to Los Angeles.
0:44:20.760 - 0:44:23.680
The problem is,
the bus has just dropped me off here.
0:44:23.680 - 0:44:27.520
And the only way to get there.
0:44:27.520 - 0:44:28.720
Is with that.
0:44:28.720 - 0:44:30.400
This is different things
that drivers do
0:44:30.400 - 0:44:34.400
when they go past you.
0:44:34.400 - 0:44:35.120
"Oh, look."
0:44:35.120 - 0:44:39.592
"Nice view over there."
0:44:39.592 - 0:44:40.880
Ian VO: Because that is the amalgamation
0:44:40.880 - 0:44:44.320
of all my crazy hitchhiking
round Europe, like, you know.
0:44:44.320 - 0:44:45.760
So that's how I was, acting.
0:44:45.760 - 0:44:48.640
They all out,
you know, drivers ignore you,
0:44:48.640 - 0:44:52.000
pretending they're looking at the
other one's just gone.
0:44:52.000 - 0:44:52.720
That's the one.
0:44:52.720 - 0:44:55.040
The abuse
you get from the other drivers.
0:44:55.040 - 0:44:57.200
Sometimes they're like "fuck you!"
0:44:57.200 - 0:45:00.720
"Walk, you wanker!"
0:45:00.720 - 0:45:03.040
I remember
0:45:03.040 - 0:45:04.640
hitchhiking and we
0:45:04.640 - 0:45:07.200
were going past and like I say.
0:45:07.200 - 0:45:09.520
And there was like
a couple in the car
0:45:09.520 - 0:45:11.360
and she wound down her window
0:45:11.360 - 0:45:13.120
And as the car was getting past,
0:45:13.120 - 0:45:16.480
she went "wankers!"
like that to us.
0:45:16.480 - 0:45:17.840
And we were like, yeah.
0:45:17.840 - 0:45:20.320
And then and when she turned back,
0:45:20.320 - 0:45:22.640
the car stopped at the light
0:45:22.640 - 0:45:24.640
and we were walking up anyway.
0:45:24.640 - 0:45:27.680
And as we were walking,
getting close, you could see her going....
0:45:27.680 - 0:45:31.360
She was shrinking in her seat,
but you got to her
0:45:31.360 - 0:45:33.280
was like, sorry, darling,
what did you say?
0:45:34.480 - 0:45:35.600
You called us wankers.
0:45:35.600 - 0:45:38.960
Yeah.
You're right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
0:45:38.960 - 0:45:42.160
Anyway, I just come into me
at Baja California.
0:45:42.160 - 0:45:43.760
You can't go wrong with hitchhiking.
0:45:43.760 - 0:45:46.800
So, you know,
I know this is kind of funny,
0:45:46.800 - 0:45:51.440
but I keep
thinking about words like,
0:45:51.440 - 0:45:54.080
like, say a word.
0:45:54.080 - 0:45:56.080
Autobahn.
Autobahn, okay?
0:45:56.080 - 0:45:58.560
Autobahn. An Autobahn is a road, but
0:45:58.560 - 0:46:01.120
an Autobahn is a road in Germany.
0:46:01.120 - 0:46:02.720
But there are roads
all over the world.
0:46:02.720 - 0:46:04.640
And every world,
every part of the world
0:46:04.640 - 0:46:06.800
has their own particular
kind of road.
0:46:06.800 - 0:46:07.840
Every
0:46:07.840 - 0:46:09.840
place has a road
that is idiosyncratic
0:46:09.840 - 0:46:12.240
to that place
in the way that hitchhiking
0:46:12.240 - 0:46:14.800
is idiosyncratic,
depending on where it is.
0:46:14.800 - 0:46:17.120
Like in Germany, hitchhiking
0:46:17.120 - 0:46:19.760
is extremely organized,
0:46:19.760 - 0:46:22.080
it's clean, like their toilets,
you know.
0:46:22.080 - 0:46:23.200
Okay. Right?
0:46:23.200 - 0:46:26.560
You use the payphone,
you call, you say where you want to go
0:46:26.560 - 0:46:28.000
they pick you up at a certain place.
0:46:28.000 - 0:46:29.600
Go back. I don't understand that.
0:46:29.600 - 0:46:31.760
That's how they hitchhike in Germany?
0:46:31.760 - 0:46:34.240
They don't stand by the road. No.
0:46:34.240 - 0:46:35.520
You ring somebody?
0:46:35.520 - 0:46:38.160
Well-, look, this was a show
that I was in Germany
0:46:38.160 - 0:46:41.920
when I was pregnant in, like,
when was that 90... 2000. In 2000
0:46:41.920 - 0:46:43.440
I was pregnant, so I was in Germany.
0:46:43.440 - 0:46:46.000
So this was in Germany
when there were payphones.
0:46:46.000 - 0:46:48.320
Most countries, if you want to
hitchhike, you use your thumb,
0:46:48.320 - 0:46:52.320
but in Germany you use your finger.
0:46:52.320 - 0:46:53.120
You call and
0:46:53.120 - 0:46:55.040
you tell them where you want to go.
0:46:55.040 - 0:46:56.400
And then they look
through their database
0:46:56.400 - 0:46:59.520
and they see if there's someone
who's driving in that direction,
0:46:59.520 - 0:47:01.760
and then they hook you up.
0:47:01.760 - 0:47:03.680
Hi. Hi, you're Juliana?
0:47:03.680 - 0:47:05.920
Yeah. I’m. So you would...
0:47:05.920 - 0:47:07.200
Yeah, If you could open the trunk.
0:47:07.200 - 0:47:09.360
That'd be great.
0:47:09.360 - 0:47:15.200
That's a really small trunk.
0:47:15.200 - 0:47:18.720
My car doesn't do that.
0:47:18.720 - 0:47:20.480
Where would you get
the number for it?
0:47:20.480 - 0:47:23.760
Would there be an agency
like - "hitchhiking agency!"
0:47:23.760 - 0:47:25.280
No. -
"Don't die."
0:47:25.280 - 0:47:26.960
"Don't get axed up."
"Travel safely!"
0:47:26.960 - 0:47:28.240
No, no, it was it was like
0:47:28.240 - 0:47:31.760
there was a there was a noticeboard,
I think in one of the cafes
0:47:31.760 - 0:47:33.920
that we were going to
-like a traveler's cafe-
0:47:33.920 - 0:47:35.600
you'd talk to someone,
you put your name down
0:47:35.600 - 0:47:37.360
and then they'd connect you
with somebody.
0:47:37.360 - 0:47:38.400
So that's how it went.
0:47:38.400 - 0:47:39.920
I can't even remember.
0:47:39.920 - 0:47:42.400
Well, this seems to make sense, though.
0:47:42.400 - 0:47:44.320
Your destination would be somewhere.
0:47:44.320 - 0:47:47.760
And then the oh three other people
went to that destination
0:47:47.760 - 0:47:49.040
and someone's driving.
0:47:49.040 - 0:47:50.240
Let's check them all in the car.
0:47:50.240 - 0:47:53.280
That's how I sort of feel
it sounds like.
0:47:53.280 - 0:47:54.720
Which is genius.
Well it used to be,
0:47:54.720 - 0:47:57.280
it used to be like
you'd go to a coffee shop
0:47:57.280 - 0:47:59.280
and you'd see on the noticeboard,
you know,
0:47:59.280 - 0:48:02.880
"I'm driving to San Jose at such
and such a time."
0:48:02.880 - 0:48:03.760
"If you want to lift,
0:48:03.760 - 0:48:06.000
give me a call up,
I'll pick you up at the BART station."
0:48:06.000 - 0:48:08.800
I mean, yeah,
it used to be when people had long,
0:48:08.800 - 0:48:10.640
you know, knew
they were taking a long trip or I'm
0:48:10.640 - 0:48:14.720
driving to Colorado, you know,
if you want to share petrol. Yes.
0:48:14.720 - 0:48:15.840
Yeah. Why not give me a call. Right.
0:48:15.840 - 0:48:18.480
Because that
that got it down to an art form
0:48:18.480 - 0:48:21.120
that's brilliant.
Yeah, in Germany they got it down to an art form.
0:48:21.120 - 0:48:22.640
But then I was thinking about
0:48:22.640 - 0:48:26.560
the idiosyncratic
nature of hitchhiking,
0:48:26.560 - 0:48:28.320
and there's a scene,
0:48:28.320 - 0:48:31.440
I think it's in your Turkey show,
0:48:31.440 - 0:48:34.400
and someone in the background
0:48:34.400 - 0:48:37.440
makes this thumbs up
when you get a ride.
0:48:37.440 - 0:48:41.200
You mean you think it
like the different, symbols?
0:48:41.200 - 0:48:45.680
So you might think, hey, but in
Turkish it's up your, like up yours.
0:48:45.680 - 0:48:46.400
Yeah, yeah.
0:48:46.400 - 0:48:49.040
Like I because I remember
someone talking about it.
0:48:49.040 - 0:48:51.200
And then when I watch it again
the other night,
0:48:51.200 - 0:48:52.960
it was like the guy behind you.
0:48:52.960 - 0:48:54.960
I think he knew what he was doing
0:48:54.960 - 0:48:57.680
because the camera was right on him
and he was smiling.
0:48:57.680 - 0:49:00.553
Like, you think I'm saying, thumbs that
0:49:00.553 - 0:49:01.040
Thumbs up.
0:49:01.040 - 0:49:04.000
You think I'm some stupid Turk
that's going thumbs up?
0:49:04.000 - 0:49:07.440
But really, what I'm saying is up
yours, with a big smile
0:49:07.440 - 0:49:08.320
and you're filming it.
0:49:08.320 - 0:49:10.960
Now I'm going to have to
look at that footage again.
0:49:10.960 - 0:49:12.840
Yeah.
Nobody does that.
0:49:12.840 - 0:49:13.840
Nobody does that to me.
0:49:13.840 - 0:49:15.280
Nobody does that to me.
0:49:15.280 - 0:49:16.640
You were dissed!
0:49:16.640 - 0:49:17.600
Yeah, yeah.
0:49:17.600 - 0:49:19.840
So when I saw that that guy
0:49:19.840 - 0:49:22.480
with the thumb in your show
and I'm like, thinking what?
0:49:22.480 - 0:49:23.760
What is really going on here?
0:49:23.760 - 0:49:26.880
I remember when I met Carlos, my now
ex-husband,
0:49:26.880 - 0:49:30.080
who I still am very close with.
0:49:30.080 - 0:49:31.200
He's Mexican
0:49:31.200 - 0:49:35.120
and we were in Mexico,
and I saw people going like this,
0:49:35.120 - 0:49:36.560
like that, with their hand,
0:49:36.560 - 0:49:38.400
like in front of them,
like cupping their hand
0:49:38.400 - 0:49:40.000
and bringing it in
front of their face.
0:49:40.000 - 0:49:41.040
I'm like, what is that?
0:49:41.040 - 0:49:44.000
And he goes, oh, that's how we say
thank you.
0:49:44.000 - 0:49:46.800
And I said, oh, but if you just
put your finger in the middle,
0:49:46.800 - 0:49:49.040
it would be like,
fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.
0:49:49.040 - 0:49:51.040
But instead it's thank you,
thank you, thank you.
0:49:51.040 - 0:49:54.240
It's just it's just the change
0:49:54.240 - 0:49:57.920
in the fingers that makes it a
"thank you" to a "fuck you."
0:49:57.920 - 0:49:58.960
Yeah. But that,
0:49:58.960 - 0:50:00.960
and that's quite a big change.
0:50:00.960 - 0:50:01.920
Yeah.
0:50:01.920 - 0:50:04.720
That's like like, it’s like okay.
0:50:04.720 - 0:50:07.120
Or going "wanker!"
0:50:07.120 - 0:50:08.880
Yeah.
There's quite a huge change,
0:50:10.400 - 0:50:11.680
I’m trying to say thank you.
0:50:11.680 - 0:50:14.320
Honestly, did I get it wrong?
0:50:14.320 - 0:50:15.040
No. You're right
0:50:15.040 - 0:50:17.760
Justine, I'm in Turkey going "right,
0:50:17.760 - 0:50:18.960
all right."
0:50:18.960 - 0:50:20.320
I don't know who produced that.
0:50:20.320 - 0:50:22.240
I don't know who the director was
for that show,
0:50:22.240 - 0:50:24.560
but they just didn't
do the research properly.
0:50:24.560 - 0:50:24.880
You know,
0:50:24.880 - 0:50:27.680
you just rock up like the day
you shoot because they can't afford
0:50:27.680 - 0:50:28.640
to bring you in sooner.
0:50:28.640 - 0:50:29.280
But the director
0:50:29.280 - 0:50:33.440
and the producer are out there
doing a two week ‘recky’ or location scout,
0:50:33.440 - 0:50:38.000
You'd think they'd figure out basic
gesture meaning definition, right?
0:50:38.000 - 0:50:41.040
That's kind of fundamental
when you travel is
0:50:41.040 - 0:50:44.160
you know what
what the hand language means.
0:50:44.160 - 0:50:46.800
But can I got back to Germany?
that for me,
0:50:46.800 - 0:50:50.320
always the best place
to hitch in the world, Germany,
0:50:50.320 - 0:50:53.280
because they've got,
like I said, the fast cars.
0:50:53.280 - 0:50:56.080
A lot of people are working,
car working.
0:50:56.080 - 0:50:59.680
So there this a company car
that can long distances.
0:50:59.680 - 0:51:02.720
So they want the company so
and they always stop.
0:51:02.720 - 0:51:05.360
Never had any problem in Germany.
0:51:06.560 - 0:51:08.560
Hitchhiking.
0:51:09.680 - 0:51:12.080
I say that, that's a lie.
0:51:12.080 - 0:51:12.800
Two points.
0:51:12.800 - 0:51:15.360
One, Ruka Havas is from Germany,
isn't he?
0:51:15.360 - 0:51:19.120
He's the one that was in that scary
hitchhiking movie.
0:51:19.120 - 0:51:20.720
So he's to blame for
0:51:20.720 - 0:51:23.680
hitchhiking demise. Yeah, and two
0:51:23.680 - 0:51:24.880
we did both get,
0:51:25.760 - 0:51:28.640
me and a mate of mine,
when we were hitching
0:51:28.640 - 0:51:30.880
got kidnapped by Eastern
0:51:30.880 - 0:51:33.520
European, soldier.
0:51:33.520 - 0:51:34.720
Mercenary.
0:51:34.720 - 0:51:36.880
What, for two and a half days.
0:51:36.880 - 0:51:38.960
What? So. So the other.
0:51:38.960 - 0:51:39.840
That is the other.
0:51:39.840 - 0:51:41.760
I'm like, all hitching, hitching, hitching.
0:51:41.760 - 0:51:43.200
Yeah, but we got.
0:51:43.200 - 0:51:45.680
Oh, man,
that's the nuttiest scariest
0:51:45.680 - 0:51:48.800
that we can laugh about it
now, but we we
0:51:48.800 - 0:51:49.520
How old were you?
0:51:50.080 - 0:51:52.320
We, I was about 22.
0:51:52.320 - 0:51:53.120
Who were you with?
0:51:53.120 - 0:51:54.640
Your friend Mickey.
0:51:54.640 - 0:51:55.120
Michael
0:51:55.120 - 0:51:58.560
Yeah, he was probably about 18 -19.
0:51:58.560 - 0:52:00.400
So he's down the side road.
0:52:00.400 - 0:52:01.600
Nothing happening.
0:52:01.600 - 0:52:05.680
A car pulls out really is about,
seven in the morning.
0:52:05.680 - 0:52:06.400
Okay.
0:52:06.400 - 0:52:07.360
Please, go.
0:52:07.360 - 0:52:09.760
Guys, guys! Get in! Get in!
0:52:09.760 - 0:52:10.480
Big geezer.
0:52:11.360 - 0:52:13.440
And we're
like, yeah, I jumped in the front.
0:52:13.440 - 0:52:14.720
What he look like?
0:52:14.720 - 0:52:17.000
He look like a mountain.
0:52:17.000 - 0:52:18.880
Like again, like a human triangle
0:52:18.880 - 0:52:22.160
with the real blond hair
and dodgy moustache.
0:52:22.160 - 0:52:24.480
I've got a picture of him
on the phone.
0:52:24.480 - 0:52:26.640
I'll send it over.
0:52:26.640 - 0:52:28.880
Anyway,
he says, and he's like, "guys, guys.
0:52:28.880 - 0:52:29.840
Yeah. Where are you from?
0:52:29.840 - 0:52:30.960
Yeah, yeah, we love that.
0:52:30.960 - 0:52:32.400
We love England."
0:52:32.400 - 0:52:35.120
And then, and then he's like,
oh, I need to.
0:52:35.120 - 0:52:36.480
So pulls over.
0:52:36.480 - 0:52:39.200
He's got his little bottle of vodka
in the back of the,
0:52:39.200 - 0:52:41.280
so he's drinking, drinking , drinking.
0:52:41.280 - 0:52:43.360
Did he offer you any?
0:52:43.360 - 0:52:44.080
Yes.
0:52:44.080 - 0:52:46.160
Yeah, but.
0:52:46.160 - 0:52:48.640
Anyway, so the thing is, we're hitchhiking.
0:52:48.640 - 0:52:50.560
He's got our bags
in the back of the boot.
0:52:50.560 - 0:52:51.520
So that was the thing.
0:52:51.520 - 0:52:54.800
Anyway, as he's gotten along, he was
like, oh, yeah, I'm a bad finger.
0:52:54.800 - 0:52:56.080
I'm a bad finger.
0:52:56.080 - 0:52:59.520
I am a helicopter fighter pilot
for anybody who pays me.
0:52:59.520 - 0:53:01.120
I've been in Lebanon.
0:53:01.120 - 0:53:03.360
I've been, all over,
0:53:03.360 - 0:53:05.440
and, did you say Lebanon?
0:53:05.440 - 0:53:07.600
Did he say Lebanon?
Yes, Libya,
0:53:07.600 - 0:53:09.840
Lebanon he's like a let me show you
0:53:09.840 - 0:53:12.000
how a helicopter works.
0:53:12.000 - 0:53:15.040
And he's
in the middle of the road
0:53:15.040 - 0:53:15.440
and all
0:53:15.440 - 0:53:18.960
the cars lot, and we're like,
let's see.
0:53:18.960 - 0:53:22.000
It's like,
yeah, well, I, me and my friends,
0:53:22.000 - 0:53:22.827
there's not many people.
0:53:22.827 - 0:53:26.697
They all commit suicide,
but I hear this noise in my head.
0:53:26.697 - 0:53:28.800
beep, beep, beep, beep,
When that noise stops beeeeeeeep, I know
0:53:28.800 - 0:53:31.360
it is the time for me to die.
0:53:31.360 - 0:53:33.520
And we're alive
and there's nothing we can do.
0:53:33.520 - 0:53:33.840
Nothing.
0:53:33.840 - 0:53:36.480
We stuck in that car
with him, yakking on
0:53:36.480 - 0:53:38.720
for like a whole day
0:53:38.720 - 0:53:40.560
about travel stories.
0:53:40.560 - 0:53:42.480
And then anyway, he goes, look,
0:53:42.480 - 0:53:45.160
this time
we've passed over to Eastern Europe.
0:53:45.160 - 0:53:47.680
Good.
That I mean the wall to come down.
0:53:47.680 - 0:53:50.320
But anyway, we passed over
0:53:50.320 - 0:53:52.480
and he was like,
oh, I take you to my village.
0:53:52.480 - 0:53:54.240
I take you to the village
where I was born,
0:53:54.240 - 0:53:56.080
and we're like,
no, no, we'll just get out.
0:53:56.080 - 0:53:58.160
He's no, no, no, no, come with me.
0:53:58.160 - 0:54:01.120
So we're like,
there's nothing we can do.
0:54:01.120 - 0:54:01.600
He's like,
0:54:01.600 - 0:54:05.920
we parked up in this small village
and they are center of nowhere.
0:54:05.920 - 0:54:07.680
We're like,
we've got our bags this time.
0:54:07.680 - 0:54:09.120
And we're like, what do we do?
0:54:09.120 - 0:54:10.640
We don't even know where we are.
0:54:10.640 - 0:54:12.960
There's no roads or anything.
0:54:12.960 - 0:54:14.560
And we're like,
we've got to stay the night.
0:54:14.560 - 0:54:15.600
Just got to suffer it.
0:54:15.600 - 0:54:17.920
And so we go back,
0:54:17.920 - 0:54:20.320
oh, everyone in the village
hates him.
0:54:20.320 - 0:54:22.800
He's like staying
with a friend of his.
0:54:22.800 - 0:54:25.360
He's grabbing the wife and going,
this guy,
0:54:26.240 - 0:54:27.360
and so is the other guy.
0:54:27.360 - 0:54:28.720
It's like,
oh, this is going to kick off.
0:54:28.720 - 0:54:30.080
So we go and sleep in the car.
0:54:30.080 - 0:54:30.640
I see them around
0:54:30.640 - 0:54:33.360
Four in the morning, I'm looking out
and I can see him wandering around
0:54:33.360 - 0:54:36.320
helping the farmers and just,
you know, he just can't sleep.
0:54:36.320 - 0:54:37.040
It's nuts.
0:54:37.040 - 0:54:38.720
And then in the morning
0:54:38.720 - 0:54:42.320
we're like,
and he's like, it's all a bit.
0:54:42.320 - 0:54:45.920
He is like, Arnold was his name, I was
like, is everything all right? he says
0:54:45.920 - 0:54:47.520
No, no, no, no.
0:54:47.520 - 0:54:51.360
Someone has stoled 900 marks from me
0:54:51.360 - 0:54:54.480
And we're like, oh jeez, you know,
typical piss heads, you know,
0:54:54.480 - 0:54:56.080
he spent it all and he's like
0:54:57.600 - 0:55:00.137
and I just got angry because by then
we've been in with him
0:55:00.137 - 0:55:00.880
We've been with him for
a day and a half.
0:55:01.760 - 0:55:03.200
I've got a rapport with him.
0:55:03.200 - 0:55:04.160
And I'm like,
0:55:04.160 - 0:55:07.600
look, if you think we've nicked it, you're
that's fucking not it.
0:55:07.600 - 0:55:09.120
We've been with you all this time.
0:55:09.120 - 0:55:10.160
Bullshit. We've been mates.
0:55:10.160 - 0:55:13.120
And that if you if you don't trust
us, here's the bags.
0:55:13.120 - 0:55:15.280
You just search it.
Just check everything for this
0:55:15.280 - 0:55:16.720
900 marks or whatever.
0:55:16.720 - 0:55:18.040
And he's like, no Ian.
0:55:18.040 - 0:55:20.480
And I don't think
you have to choose, but
0:55:20.480 - 0:55:23.753
Michael maybe and Mickey was like,
he had no rapport with him.
0:55:23.753 - 0:55:25.880
And he was like, and I was like, no.
0:55:25.880 - 0:55:28.160
Anyway, big fracas, blah blah,
0:55:28.160 - 0:55:31.200
but there's nothing
we could do, back in the car.
0:55:31.200 - 0:55:35.680
Go into Rostock, East Germany
to take the ferry to, Denmark.
0:55:35.680 - 0:55:38.720
Anyway, he's driving along
and there's times when he goes down
0:55:38.720 - 0:55:41.840
a small track and we're just like,
this is it, this is it.
0:55:41.840 - 0:55:45.280
And then he's like, okay,
now having the piss back on.
0:55:45.280 - 0:55:48.080
And that's the guy I'm
still chatting to because I've got.
0:55:48.080 - 0:55:49.760
He's lonely as hell, really.
0:55:49.760 - 0:55:52.000
And now I've got a rapport with him
and he's looking in
0:55:52.000 - 0:55:54.080
the rear mirror, Michael.
0:55:54.080 - 0:55:59.840
Goes, Michael,
could you lend me 900 marks, please?
0:55:59.840 - 0:55:59.893
hahaha
0:55:59.893 - 0:56:03.200
Michael is like.
And I'm like, stop it, I said.
0:56:03.200 - 0:56:05.520
Anyway,
we get to the ferry at Rostock
0:56:05.520 - 0:56:08.560
to go over to Denmark,
and we're like, oh, thanks.
0:56:08.560 - 0:56:11.680
Yeah, yeah, that's
where I take the picture from.
0:56:11.680 - 0:56:14.320
And, he's like,
0:56:14.320 - 0:56:15.120
I decided
0:56:15.120 - 0:56:17.280
I come with you to Denmark,
you guys.
0:56:17.280 - 0:56:17.920
Yeah.
0:56:17.920 - 0:56:20.080
We're like no, no,
we've got the tickets for the ferry.
0:56:20.080 - 0:56:20.960
You can't come.
0:56:20.960 - 0:56:22.480
He's like no, no no, no.
0:56:22.480 - 0:56:24.640
And he goes to park the car
and we're like, fuck.
0:56:24.640 - 0:56:26.240
We like gotta rock, we says run, run, run.
0:56:26.240 - 0:56:29.920
So we ran to the ferry, we got
the tickets, we're on the ferry.
0:56:29.920 - 0:56:32.160
And then we're just looking to see
if he gets.
0:56:32.160 - 0:56:34.320
He's obviously got his ticket
and we see him running.
0:56:34.320 - 0:56:37.120
We've got about two minutes
before the ferry's leaving.
0:56:37.120 - 0:56:38.080
Managed to jump on.
0:56:38.080 - 0:56:41.040
We hide in the toilets,
he goes passing up.
0:56:41.040 - 0:56:43.840
So we're making our way
to the ferry door.
0:56:43.840 - 0:56:47.200
So as soon as the thing moves
the ferry, we're going to jump off.
0:56:47.200 - 0:56:50.080
We didn’t do it early because
if he sees this, he will be down.
0:56:50.080 - 0:56:52.320
And then he's like leaning
over the balcony, going,
0:56:52.320 - 0:56:55.360
"Oh boys,
what are you doing down there?"
0:56:55.360 - 0:56:57.760
And we're like, "waiting for you!"
0:56:59.200 - 0:57:00.720
Anyway, the ferry journey
0:57:00.720 - 0:57:04.080
another two hours or so,
0:57:04.080 - 0:57:05.440
story, story, bad finger,
0:57:05.440 - 0:57:07.280
beep, beep, beep
Mickey's just
0:57:07.280 - 0:57:09.113
gone, he didn't want nothing to do with it
0:57:09.113 - 0:57:10.640
And so we get to the other side of
the ferry.
0:57:10.640 - 0:57:12.880
It's 12:00 at night, completely dark
0:57:12.880 - 0:57:15.200
The only hitch in traffic
you're going to get
0:57:15.200 - 0:57:17.440
is the ones coming off the boat.
0:57:17.440 - 0:57:18.880
So we're
0:57:18.880 - 0:57:21.600
at the area
he's just sitting on the other side
0:57:21.600 - 0:57:23.600
of the road with his knife,
staring at us, sitting
0:57:23.600 - 0:57:26.320
on the gutter,
cutting up his vegetables.
0:57:26.320 - 0:57:28.000
And we go oh I know
0:57:28.000 - 0:57:30.880
We're gonna walk on a bit
because, yeah.
0:57:30.880 - 0:57:33.920
And then we just walk
on, and he's just staring at us,
0:57:33.920 - 0:57:36.480
watching this guy,
just not happy at all.
0:57:36.480 - 0:57:38.480
And then we just walk
and walk and walk.
0:57:38.480 - 0:57:40.640
And every time a car comes, we're like
like, hitching.
0:57:40.640 - 0:57:43.040
But if there's a couple of cars
that slow down,
0:57:43.040 - 0:57:47.200
we have lot to hide in, in, in the,
the woods and that.
0:57:47.200 - 0:57:50.080
And it was pitch dark
and it's about 2:00
0:57:50.080 - 0:57:52.800
so we've got no chance
of getting any traffic really.
0:57:52.800 - 0:57:55.600
And we just picture him
alone with a knife in his hand
0:57:56.160 - 0:57:59.280
You know, following us.
It's just like a fucking nightmare.
0:57:59.280 - 0:58:03.120
Anyway, then this car slowed down
and we were like, oh, God.
0:58:03.120 - 0:58:06.240
And we looked in and there was
a couple of students in there
0:58:06.240 - 0:58:09.600
and they were like, oh yes, jump
in, we're going to Copenhagen.
0:58:09.600 - 0:58:12.560
We were like, yeah!!
We jumped in the car.
0:58:12.560 - 0:58:14.640
Yes, go, go, go, go, go.
0:58:14.640 - 0:58:16.240
They were like what's up?
0:58:16.240 - 0:58:16.880
Oh my God.
0:58:16.880 - 0:58:17.760
And they were driving.
0:58:17.760 - 0:58:21.188
Then they were like
"you okay?" and we were like oh yes.
0:58:21.188 - 0:58:22.240
Yes we are. Oh, man.
0:58:22.240 - 0:58:23.360
And what was really funny.
0:58:23.360 - 0:58:25.840
We were telling them
the story that I just told you.
0:58:25.840 - 0:58:27.280
And they were like, oh man.
0:58:27.280 - 0:58:32.320
And then they
got in the car and started going
0:58:32.320 - 0:58:33.040
and then and they were.
0:58:33.040 - 0:58:34.000
And we love what you did.
0:58:34.000 - 0:58:36.400
And they both went,
we are our Arnold’s sons.
0:58:36.400 - 0:58:39.585
And we were like,
oh, you cheeky bastard.
0:58:39.585 - 0:58:41.040
We're like, oh.
And they were just laughing.
0:58:41.040 - 0:58:44.960
Do they start asking you for 900 marks? No.
0:58:44.960 - 0:58:45.840
But that was enough.
0:58:45.840 - 0:58:48.320
That was that, that was mental.
0:58:48.320 - 0:58:50.400
Absolutely mental.
You had a stalker!
0:58:50.400 - 0:58:53.040
You can have a crazy time
hitching as well.
0:58:53.040 - 0:58:55.120
Did you think,
did you fear for your life?
0:58:55.120 - 0:58:56.960
with Arnold.
0:58:57.520 - 0:58:58.720
Mickey did more
0:58:58.720 - 0:59:02.240
I didn't as much because I realized
he was just a real
0:59:02.240 - 0:59:03.440
quite a lonely fuck, really.
0:59:03.440 - 0:59:04.000
And it was.
0:59:04.000 - 0:59:05.920
I was just chatting to him.
0:59:05.920 - 0:59:09.360
So I was like,
I mean, mental is mental,
0:59:09.360 - 0:59:12.000
but if you've got a little rapport,
you've got,
0:59:12.720 - 0:59:15.040
you got a slight thing there.
0:59:15.040 - 0:59:19.440
If you hadn't
got that, I'd be absolutely.
0:59:19.440 - 0:59:21.920
would that would be so, you know.
0:59:21.920 - 0:59:22.240
Yeah.
0:59:22.240 - 0:59:25.440
Anyway, it was, it was a,
it was a long two and a half days.
0:59:25.440 - 0:59:26.960
It was crazy. Absolutely.
0:59:26.960 - 0:59:29.120
Did Mickey hitch after that?
0:59:29.120 - 0:59:30.080
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:59:30.080 - 0:59:32.480
We're only halfway
through our trip so.
0:59:32.480 - 0:59:33.040
Yeah.
0:59:33.040 - 0:59:33.920
You know that's what I mean.
0:59:33.920 - 0:59:35.200
It does. Is it. Yeah.
0:59:35.200 - 0:59:37.280
Well it's it's just a
one off experience.
0:59:37.280 - 0:59:39.040
We had so many brilliant ones.
0:59:39.040 - 0:59:41.440
It was just, you know,
we knew it'd be a big story
0:59:41.440 - 0:59:42.400
when we got out of it.
0:59:42.400 - 0:59:43.520
But when you're in it.
0:59:43.520 - 0:59:43.920
Yeah.
0:59:43.920 - 0:59:46.640
Especially in the middle of Eastern Europe
Oh, shshshsh...
0:59:46.640 - 0:59:49.200
something bad happens,
but you just keep going.
0:59:49.200 - 0:59:51.360
Yeah. If you can, I guess. Yes.
0:59:51.360 - 0:59:53.680
I mean,
it affects people in different ways.
0:59:53.680 - 0:59:55.600
I imagine, Mickey,
0:59:55.600 - 1:00:02.320
since then, he can never do thumbs
up since that incident.
1:00:02.320 - 1:00:05.040
I'm not.
trying again.
1:00:05.040 - 1:00:07.280
Yeah, man, that's fair enough.
1:00:07.280 - 1:00:09.680
So, Ian,
if you were to give someone, advice
1:00:09.680 - 1:00:13.520
today, like, I would really love
to do a hitchhiking trip.
1:00:14.480 - 1:00:14.880
Yeah.
1:00:14.880 - 1:00:17.120
What would be the advice
that you would give me?
1:00:17.120 - 1:00:20.160
Well, I, the thing is that just a
1:00:20.160 - 1:00:23.440
the advice that when I hitched,
I suppose you just,
1:00:23.440 - 1:00:26.960
you know, you just got,
It's a leap of faith, really.
1:00:26.960 - 1:00:31.440
And, which only a small amount
of people would dare do that.
1:00:31.440 - 1:00:34.640
And I think the climate now,
these days, more wary,
1:00:34.640 - 1:00:37.760
more people, you know, it's always,
you know, I'm scared of everything.
1:00:37.760 - 1:00:39.120
Well,
1:00:39.120 - 1:00:39.920
you know, hitchhiking
1:00:39.920 - 1:00:41.280
It's like, so raw.
1:00:41.280 - 1:00:43.200
It's so, you know, traveling.
1:00:43.200 - 1:00:46.640
And you couldn't
get more traveling than spontaneity
1:00:46.640 - 1:00:49.120
that, you know,
you're on the side of those
1:00:49.120 - 1:00:50.720
half risking yourself to jump in
1:00:50.720 - 1:00:52.320
someone's car
to learn about the country
1:00:52.320 - 1:00:55.520
and have a brilliant time
and that fantastic chat,
1:00:55.520 - 1:00:58.000
because that's really
what it's about.
1:00:58.000 - 1:01:00.800
Plus, you get down the road
and don’t have to pay a penny
1:01:00.800 - 1:01:03.597
or whatever, you know, so it's I
1:01:03.597 - 1:01:05.200
so I don't know what advice
that you could do.
1:01:05.200 - 1:01:09.200
It's just I mean you could, you
could- would, would you advise that
1:01:09.200 - 1:01:13.440
people offer the driver
some money to help pay for the petrol?
1:01:13.440 - 1:01:16.160
no, I, I've never offered anything
that's a whole.
1:01:16.160 - 1:01:16.800
But then again,
1:01:16.800 - 1:01:18.800
might be the attitude's change,
but there's a whole point
1:01:18.800 - 1:01:22.160
of hitchhiking. If I had money,
then I would have got a bus,
1:01:22.160 - 1:01:24.720
you know, and and people that pick
you up, know that.
1:01:24.720 - 1:01:27.120
They don't expect...
maybe it's changed.
1:01:27.120 - 1:01:27.280
So yeah.
1:01:27.280 - 1:01:30.960
I don't know because like you said,
the people are expecting
1:01:31.520 - 1:01:35.120
they first of all,
it feels good to help someone out.
1:01:35.120 - 1:01:36.720
Yeah.
Yeah. Usually is a young person.
1:01:36.720 - 1:01:39.840
It's nice to have a connection,
meet new people.
1:01:39.840 - 1:01:42.720
Yeah, but I'm not gonna say don't
sit in the back
1:01:42.720 - 1:01:44.080
with your girlfriend.
1:01:44.080 - 1:01:46.400
You know, snogging
1:01:46.400 - 1:01:48.720
someone has to sit in the front,
and you got to chat.
1:01:48.720 - 1:01:50.960
Jeez.
And that's a whole point of it.
1:01:51.680 - 1:01:53.680
Help keep the driver focused in a way.
1:01:54.480 - 1:01:54.720
Yeah.
1:01:54.720 - 1:01:56.960
Let's learn something
and it's an exchange of,
1:01:58.000 - 1:02:00.000
people, information, everything.
1:02:00.000 - 1:02:03.280
Extraordinary how much you can learn
in eight hours.
1:02:03.280 - 1:02:05.680
In a Germany autobahn.
1:02:05.680 - 1:02:07.520
You know, sometime the hour's late.
1:02:07.520 - 1:02:09.680
Sometimes you listen to music,
1:02:09.680 - 1:02:11.360
sometimes you chatting,
1:02:11.360 - 1:02:14.080
sometimes you're giggling, sometimes
you're not saying anything.
1:02:14.080 - 1:02:16.240
You know, that's
what happens in eight hours.
1:02:16.240 - 1:02:19.360
But it's comfortable,
you know, or it should be.
1:02:19.360 - 1:02:21.200
It's a long eight long hours.
1:02:21.200 - 1:02:22.800
But yeah, that's I mean,
what would you say?
1:02:22.800 - 1:02:24.000
What would you say?
1:02:24.000 - 1:02:26.240
Advice to people that hitchhiking
1:02:26.240 - 1:02:28.960
Apart from the
you know obviously be safe.
1:02:28.960 - 1:02:30.160
How can you judge it?
1:02:30.160 - 1:02:32.960
You know, obviously that one get
someone is going to be a scar across their...
1:02:32.960 - 1:02:35.680
but that doesn't mean
that they're anything.
1:02:36.240 - 1:02:38.240
Yeah.
1:02:38.240 - 1:02:38.960
I mean, I think
1:02:38.960 - 1:02:41.200
that's just so, so individual.
1:02:41.200 - 1:02:44.960
Like how we travel in the world,
in general.
1:02:44.960 - 1:02:47.200
You know, growing up
we all shared water bottles.
1:02:47.200 - 1:02:50.400
We just all shared, you know,
we didn't think twice about it.
1:02:50.400 - 1:02:51.600
But that was that.
1:02:51.600 - 1:02:54.640
That was how I that was the world
I was in then.
1:02:54.640 - 1:02:55.920
The world I'm in now.
1:02:55.920 - 1:02:58.960
Everyone's got their own
water bottle and they don't share.
1:02:58.960 - 1:03:02.720
Yeah, but with me, there was
no such thing as water bottles.
1:03:02.720 - 1:03:06.400
You know, the concept of buying
water from shop was insane.
1:03:06.400 - 1:03:06.720
Yeah.
1:03:06.720 - 1:03:09.040
And what you do,
you go down to the public park
1:03:09.040 - 1:03:10.960
and there'd be, like, a brass tap,
1:03:10.960 - 1:03:14.800
and you squeeze them out.
1:03:14.800 - 1:03:15.440
And, you know,
1:03:15.440 - 1:03:19.600
a thousand people had done it
that morning.
1:03:19.600 - 1:03:21.280
So, yeah, it's like
1:03:21.280 - 1:03:23.760
didn't do us any harm, did it?
1:03:23.760 - 1:03:24.800
So yeah, I don't know.
1:03:24.800 - 1:03:28.320
We all have our, bandwidth
for how much,
1:03:28.320 - 1:03:31.440
you know, discomfort
we're willing to be in.
1:03:31.440 - 1:03:35.520
You know,
I think partly what is typical to
1:03:35.520 - 1:03:38.560
you and me and Megan
and other people who,
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you know, hosted that show
and also who just in their own lives
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did that kind of off
the beaten track
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travel is, you know, a kind of
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embrace.
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Embracing of discomfort, like
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discomfort is kind of
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a kind of an interesting place
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to be, you know,
because what's the alternative?
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You know, you're looking for the,
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the, the resort
where you pay a lot of money.
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You go to a country,
you lie at a pool.
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I don't know,
I don't get that. Yeah.
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I would say hitchhiking
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is probably
the perfect remedy for that
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because you couldn't get
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more, a jump in with your feet first
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and you ain't got a clue
what's going to happen just so that.
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Just go for it.
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That's why
It's just the best way to travel,
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you know, like we're say, saying,
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it's almost like,
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you know, being wrapped
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in cotton wool and everything.
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Now, you know, in Slough,
I got my own water bottle.
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Like you saying,
hitchhiking is probably.
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It's the antidote, it's
the opposite, isn't it?
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You're not going to get
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anything more crazy and spontaneous
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and out of your comfort zone,
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thrown into nothing that you know,
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nothing you can control.
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And for me, that's.
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That's why I love hitching.
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And I imagine the same view.
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That's what it's about, isn't it?
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It's just like,
wow, let's just go for it.
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And obviously the one exception is
Arnie the mercenary picks
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you up in Eastern Germany,
that you'll have another story.
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But, you know,
they're few and far between.
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Yeah, well, Ian, it was really
lovely spending this time with you.
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Oh, I love it.
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And, till the next time
we'll be waffling about,
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God knows
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we love it anyway, so
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why not rest of the podcast out there are,
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bloody rubbish.
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It's the only one decent around here,
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isn't it?
So, you might so tune in.
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See you later. Bye.
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But if you do get murdered
by an axeman, don't blame us.
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Don't come crawling to us.
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You told us to hitchhike,
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and there he was axed up
and put in the boot.
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Yeah.
And then fed to the ducks.